[bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks
- From: Cindy Ray <cindyray@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:40:00 -0600
I haven't completely followed this, but you need to put in 4 dashes so that
Braille translation will work correctly. Underlining would not work. At best
you would et italics, and you wouldn't want four of those. That would be my
guess anyway.
Cindy
On Dec 28, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Sandi Ryan wrote:
> In six-dot Braille, the dash and the underline look the same. Would there be
> a way to trick the Bookshare software into retaning a certain number of
> underlines (say four) with a space on either side of them? That is how it is
> generally done in six-dot Braille. In Computer Braille the underline symbol
> is quite different (dots 4-5-6) and would not be acceptable.
>
> Sandi
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Valerie Maples
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:33 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks
>
> Hi, grandma Cindy!
>
> I see two potential probelms with that. i was told, but never verified, that
> underline was not preserved by the tool. The second is that the tool reduces
> multiple spaces to a single space, so even if it preserved underline
> formatting, it would only be a single underline, similar to a single
> underscore, but not enough to convey a fill in the blank, IMHO. Now if the
> tool could be tweaked to see and retain multiple spaces in underline format,
> that would be sweet... but may still mess with the Braille readers.
>
> A conundrum, for sure!
>
> Valerie, who is going back to the tedious task of paragraphing a 125 page
> book. Grr...
>
>
> From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wed, December 28, 2011 12:00:26 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks
>
> I have used the underline in format and my books haven't been rejected. I
> leave a couple of spaces and then start the underlinefor several spaces (for
> however long you think it should be depending on what's supposed to be filled
> in on it.
> G.cindy
>
> From: Vivian Flores <vivian@xxxxxxxx>
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 7:09 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks
>
> Hi Valerie;
>
> Here's an idea, since we can use the underline format, can you start the
> blank with a maybe an * or a hypen , X number of spaces and end with an * or
> hyphen. Use the underline format from * or hypen to * or hypen.
>
> Vivian
>
> At 06:25 PM 12/27/2011 -0800, you wrote:
>> Hi, mayrie!
>>
>> No, it is the nature of the beast; they are "smaller" and naturally don't
>> "touch" the adjoining one, unlike the underscores. Between the placement
>> being mid-letter as opposed to underneath it and the natural spaces it looks
>> like a bunch of minus signs. I know that is no help probably, just an
>> explanation of why it doesn't convey a missing word/phrase.
>>
>> Wish I was better at describing things...
>>
>> Valerie
>>
>>
>> Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
>> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Tue, December 27, 2011 6:52:01 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks
>>
>> Hi Valerie,
>>
>> I didn't mean spaces between the hyphens. I meant that a blank to fill in
>> should look like ---- that. Is that any better?
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 4:14 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks
>>
>> Mayrie;
>>
>> I was afraid you would say that. No, hyphens are located higher and with
>> spaces and would do as much harm as good and be confusing, but if it chokes
>> Braille, I guess we have to defer to that and lose the fewer sighted
>> readers. Ugh! Oh, well, that si why I ask ...
>>
>> Valerie
>>
>>
>> Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
>> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Tue, December 27, 2011 5:54:09 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks
>>
>> Hi Valerie,
>>
>> Underscores choke the braille translator. Will dashes not work for sighted
>> people?
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:15 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks
>>
>> The standard for sighted is underscores, and usually 10, but I think 5 would
>> still give a dighted reader the idea; could that be a workable compromise or
>> are underscores tough in Braille?
>>
>> Thanks for the help; this book will be alot of work, but a great resource!
>>
>> Valerie
>>
>>
>> Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
>> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Tue, December 27, 2011 5:11:11 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Refresher on fill in the blanks
>>
>> Hi Valerie,
>>
>> Were it me, I would use four hyphens together, surrounded by spaces to
>> indicate the blanks that need to be filled in. Is that what you are asking?
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Valerie Maples
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:18 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Refresher on fill in the blanks
>>
>> We are working on a bible study guide and I cannot remember the best
>> practices for displaying/conveying fill in the blanks in the study sections.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Valerie
>>
>> Keep up with Nichole's recovery:
>> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/nicholemaples
>
>
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