[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid questions
- From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 21:57:26 -0700
Agreed. They should have caught it. I have not gone back to that school
for another dog. I know they've trained many a good dog, but because of my
experience with them, I've not trusted them for a second dog.
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Elizabeth and
Burton
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:53 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid questions
That one so was not difficult to catch.
At 11:51 PM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
>Unfortunately, the school I got my first dog from was and still is a
>highly reputable school. Thinking back, there were aggression signs
>back in training. She lunged at a trainer one day, because he came
>toward me with a jacket draped over his arm. We figured it must have
>looked threatening to her, but her reaction was inappropriate.
>
>I'd tell you where the dog was from, but it really doesn't matter. I
>believe dogs from every school have exhibited aggressiveness, and it's
>sometimes very difficult to catch before they go out the door with
>their new person.
>
>Often, it's the environment and the new handler's style that
>precipitate unexpected results.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Elizabeth and
>Burton
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:45 PM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid
>questions
>
>My school would have tested out the dog in various situations with
>various kinds of people and would reject any dog displaying such
>symptoms. A blind person has enough to do whtout handling that. No
>reputable school these days lets such a dog out after training. No
>reputable school in the past did either. I know this casts your school
>whoever it is in a bad light but I have worked with dogs for thirty
>years and it is simply not fair to the blind person or general public
>to work with such animals in social situations (which means in a world with
people grin!).
>
>E.
>
>
>At 07:16 PM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
> >I agree. The first dog I received was a German shepherd who, for
> >some reason I never learned, didn't like Asian people. I remember
> >warning a friend who was Chinese not to pet her. He didn't listen, and
she bit him.
> >Not badly, but to bite him at all was bad. She was very protective
> >of me in general, and I feared that other such incidents would occur.
> >She did retire early, but due to hip dysplasia. I kept her because
> >she was an excellent guide, and we worked well together, but in the
> >back of my mind I felt guilty, because I knew she might bite again.
> >I've had two dogs since then, and neither has demonstrated such
tendencies.
> >
> >I'm thinking about getting another dog, but that opens a whole new
> >can of worms. I haven't decided how people will react to the dog.
> >I've done my current job for the past five years as a cane user, and
> >I'm not sure how people's opinions will change if I get a dog.
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shelley L.
> >Rhodes
> >Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:59 AM
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid
> >questions
> >
> >Yes indeed that is definitely over protectiness and that dog should
> >be retired. I have met several dogs, who were "managed" like your
> >friends dog and all of them ended up retiring early usually after the
> >escalated into nipping people or other dogs.
> >
> >Aggression is a trait that we do not want to see in a guide dog of
> >any breed.
> >
> >Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> >and Judson, guiding golden
> >juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> >Graduate Alumni Association Board
> >www.guidedogs.com
> >
> >Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> > Puppies are the joy at one end.
> > Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> >Carolyn Alexander
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "robert tweedy" <roberttweedy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:10 AM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid
> >questions
> >
> >
> >That sounds like over protectness, our school wouldn't like that.
> >For skype contact bobwichitaks
> >For msn contact info rt5117@xxxxxxx no emails.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Elizabeth and Burton" <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:47 AM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid
> >questions
> >
> >
> > >I would question the wisdom of any school letting a dog out into
> > >everyday reality which reacted in such a way to sudden moves. Just
> > >my opinion. My school certainly would cull such a dog out. It is
> > >just too unsafe for the dog's person otherwise.
> > >
> > > E.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 01:44 AM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > >>Once I was in a restaurant with a friend who had a guide dog,
> > >>hallf German shephere and half German police. The dog was a good
> > >>worker but did not like sudden moves. A man at our table dropped
> > >>the lid to the catsup bottle on the floor under the table. The
> > >>dog was under there, and his partnner warned the man not to get
> > >>the top because the dog might bite. Well, the man did not listen
> > >>and the dog bit him. Since there were witnesses that the man had
> > >>been warned, the man did not press charges, but did need a few
stitches.
> > >>
> > >>Sue S.
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:08 PM
> > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid
> > >>questions
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I don't mind if people ask to pet my dog, particularly if he is
> > >>laying down somewhere, or if I am in a familiar place, like my
> > >>church, at Western, or at my job this summer. In fact Judson
> > >>knows the command "Go say hi" and knows he is allowed to be a dog,
> > >>when I give that command.
> > >>
> > >>Now... I do need to reinforce this sigh, at the church though as a
> > >>couple of the girls are taking liberties.
> > >>
> > >>But I don't have a problem with people who ask if I have the time.
> > >>
> > >>But if I say NO there is a reason why I am saying NO, and please
> > >>respect that, smile.
> > >>
> > >>Some people don't.
> > >>
> > >>Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> > >>and Judson, guiding golden
> > >>juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> > >>Graduate Alumni Association Board
> > >>www.guidedogs.com
> > >>
> > >>Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> > >> Puppies are the joy at one end.
> > >> Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> > >>Carolyn Alexander
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: <barbarab65@xxxxxxx>
> > >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:02 PM
> > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions and stpid
> > >>questions
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Sometimes, in the right circumstances, I ask people who are not
> > >>blind if I can pet their dog. Therefore, it would seem normal for
> > >>me to ask someone who is
> > >> in blind, in the right circumstances, if I could pet his or her dog.
> > >> Now, I
> > >>know not to do this, anymore. I think that the sign helps because
> > >>it is a natural inclination to pet dogs.
> > >>
> > >>Blind
> > >>
> > >>
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