[bksvol-discuss] agressive dogs
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:59:30 -0800 (PST)
I don't think I've ever seen a small guide dog, like
a beagle. DO they have to be a certain size?
I ask because I was wondering about the size of the
dog at the convention that you talk about, Shelley. My
daughter's beagle mix has a Napoleonic complex, I
think. She barks and lunges and tries to get at bigger
dogs--but not those of equal size or smaller dogs.
Dori and Mark got her from a pound, so they didn't
train her from puppyhood, though they did think she
was younger than it turns out she was. And they have
tried to change the behavior--but it's as if she's
trying to assert herself, either because of her size
or because she's female and a feminist? smile
Cindy
--- "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Actually, smile.
>
> Elizabeth, I beg to differ, have seen aggressive
> dogs come out of all the
> schools. Even ones that are tested still end up out
> in society. And a lot
> of the behaviors that are displayed come from the
> dog being around a new and
> often unusual person not their trainer.
>
> I have met aggressive dogs in all the breeds, Labs,
> goldens, and GSDs, both
> towards people and other animals.
>
> I remember this one lab once we came to this
> convention and every time I
> brought my dog towards this dog, he would bark and
> lounge at my dog, while
> the owner atteempted to "restrain" him. This even
> happened when we were in
> the state capital building doing advocacy work. The
> dog had a huge bark
> too. I didn't see that dog much of the convention
> after that evening.
>
> Smile. They do a good job, all of the schools do,
> or they should, but even
> they don't see the signs some times.
>
> One of my friend's first dogs, was retired, from a
> reputable school after
> she a GSD jumped up and nipped a guy leaning over my
> friend's shoulder.
>
> Another dog had a terrible habbit of attacking other
> dogs at meetings and
> after the owner tried a basket muzzle said dog was
> retired at three or four.
>
> I have one friend who had two dogs from the same
> school that had extremely
> high pray drive, one attacked a child's video game,
> didn't like the flashing
> lights they figure. And her second dog dragged her
> into an extremely busy
> street after a cat. This with severest of
> corrections and she could give
> them with the best of them.
>
> All of the above examples come from different
> schools.
>
> And as my friends in the Animal rescue group always
> tells me sometimes there
> are behavioral problems that don't show up in the
> foster or training stages
> unless of course, smile, they are traded off to be
> with another person, or
> are rehomed, to a person with a much different
> handling style.
>
> I know I definitely have a different handling style
> than others do, and I
> know it would show, in the dogs that I own. One of
> my friends has a very
> rambunctious guide, who, smile, wouldn't be a happy
> dog in my household, as
> I discipline him when I watch him, and he doesn't do
> half the things around
> me he does with his owner. But I also allow certain
> things with my dog that
> other handlers would frown down upon, like letting
> said dog on my bed,
> smile.
>
>
> Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> and Judson, guiding golden
> juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> Graduate Alumni Association Board
> www.guidedogs.com
>
> Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> Puppies are the joy at one end.
> Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> Carolyn Alexander
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth and Burton" <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:44 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's reactions
> and stpid questions
>
>
> My school would have tested out the dog in various
> situations with various
> kinds of people and would reject any dog displaying
> such symptoms. A blind
> person has enough to do whtout handling that. No
> reputable school these
> days lets such a dog out after training. No
> reputable school in the past
> did either. I know this casts your school whoever
> it is in a bad light but
> I have worked with dogs for thirty years and it is
> simply not fair to the
> blind person or general public to work with such
> animals in social
> situations (which means in a world with people
> grin!).
>
> E.
>
>
> At 07:16 PM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
> >I agree. The first dog I received was a German
> shepherd who, for some
> >reason I never learned, didn't like Asian people.
> I remember warning a
> >friend who was Chinese not to pet her. He didn't
> listen, and she bit him.
> >Not badly, but to bite him at all was bad. She was
> very protective of me
> >in
> >general, and I feared that other such incidents
> would occur. She did
> >retire
> >early, but due to hip dysplasia. I kept her
> because she was an excellent
> >guide, and we worked well together, but in the back
> of my mind I felt
> >guilty, because I knew she might bite again. I've
> had two dogs since then,
> >and neither has demonstrated such tendencies.
> >
> >I'm thinking about getting another dog, but that
> opens a whole new can of
> >worms. I haven't decided how people will react to
> the dog. I've done my
> >current job for the past five years as a cane user,
> and I'm not sure how
> >people's opinions will change if I get a dog.
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Shelley L. Rhodes
> >Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:59 AM
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> reactions and stpid questions
> >
> >Yes indeed that is definitely over protectiness and
> that dog should be
> >retired. I have met several dogs, who were
> "managed" like your friends dog
> >and all of them ended up retiring early usually
> after the escalated into
> >nipping people or other dogs.
> >
> >Aggression is a trait that we do not want to see in
> a guide dog of any
> >breed.
> >
> >Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> >and Judson, guiding golden
> >juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> >Graduate Alumni Association Board
> >www.guidedogs.com
> >
> >Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> > Puppies are the joy at one end.
> > Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> >Carolyn Alexander
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "robert tweedy" <roberttweedy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:10 AM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> reactions and stpid questions
> >
> >
> >That sounds like over protectness, our school
> wouldn't like that.
> >For skype contact bobwichitaks
> >For msn contact info rt5117@xxxxxxx no emails.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Elizabeth and Burton"
> <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:47 AM
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> reactions and stpid questions
> >
> >
> > >I would question the wisdom of any school letting
> a dog out into everyday
> > >reality which reacted in such a way to sudden
> moves. Just my opinion.
> > >My
> > >school certainly would cull such a dog out. It
> is just too unsafe for
> > >the
> > >dog's person otherwise.
> > >
> > > E.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 01:44 AM 12/4/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > >>Once I was in a restaurant with a friend who had
> a guide dog, hallf
> > >>German
> > >>shephere and half German police. The dog was a
> good worker but did not
> > >>like
> > >>sudden moves. A man at our table dropped the
> lid to the catsup bottle
> > >>on
> > >>the floor under the table. The dog was under
> there, and his partnner
> > >>warned
> > >>the man not to get the top because the dog might
> bite. Well, the man
> > >>did
> > >>not listen and the dog bit him. Since there
> were witnesses that the man
> > >>had
> > >>been warned, the man did not press charges, but
> did need a few stitches.
> > >>
> > >>Sue S.
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Shelley L. Rhodes"
> <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:08 PM
> > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> reactions and stpid questions
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I don't mind if people ask to pet my dog,
> particularly if he is laying
> > >>down
> > >>somewhere, or if I am in a familiar place, like
> my church, at Western,
> > >>or
> > >>at
> > >>my job this summer. In fact Judson knows the
> command "Go say hi" and
> > >>knows
> > >>he is allowed to be a dog, when I give that
> command.
> > >>
> > >>Now... I do need to reinforce this sigh, at the
> church though as a
> > >>couple
> > >>of
> > >>the girls are taking liberties.
> > >>
> > >>But I don't have a problem with people who ask
> if I have the time.
> > >>
> > >>But if I say NO there is a reason why I am
> saying NO, and please respect
> > >>that, smile.
> > >>
> > >>Some people don't.
> > >>
> > >>Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> > >>and Judson, guiding golden
> > >>juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> > >>Graduate Alumni Association Board
> > >>www.guidedogs.com
> > >>
> > >>Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> > >> Puppies are the joy at one end.
> > >> Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> > >>Carolyn Alexander
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: <barbarab65@xxxxxxx>
> > >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:02 PM
> > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: people's
> reactions and stpid questions
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Sometimes, in the right circumstances, I ask
> people who are not blind if
> > >>I
> > >>can pet their dog. Therefore, it would seem
> normal for me to ask someone
> > >>who
> > >>is
> > >> in blind, in the right circumstances, if I
> could pet his or her dog.
> > >> Now, I
> > >>know not to do this, anymore. I think that the
> sign helps because it is
> > >>a
> > >>natural inclination to pet dogs.
> > >>
> > >>Blind
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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