Valerie, your understanding is the same as mine regarding the em dash and the ellipsis. There are generally no spaces before or after the em dash in print books, nor in the braille books that I've seen produced by NLS; so that is how I believe they are supposed to be rendered. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: Valerie Maples To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Madeleine Linares Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:19 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: More Questions about proofreading. Now I am *so* confused, Cindy! I thought we were to remove spaces before and after an em-dash. Ugh! Hope I have not been doing it wrong; some of my books have tons of them. I thought the only thing we put spaces before and after are most ellipsis, with certain exceptions like next to quotation marks. Hopefully Madeleine will set the record straight! Valerie On Nov 18, 2013, at 12:42 AM, Cindy Rosenthal <grandcyn77@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: As someone may have explained; the em dash indicates a pause in thought between 2 phrases or ideas; similar to but different from elipses. There should be a space before and after the em dash so the words don't run together; if you have a book in which that's not the case you should report it to quality control so the book can be fxed On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:16 PM, <ohio1803@xxxxx> wrote: You folks are amazing. I really appreciate how hard you all work. I appreciated reading the posts on this thread. How important and serious this business. To make all of our reading material just as fine as it can be. Thank you! I have not tried to proofread a submitted book for quite some time. I am still baffled and confused by it all, and have just continued to do the best job I can in scanning some books that I want to read, and to prepare the book in the best condition that I can, based largely in part as to what I understand is best for acceptance the proofreader’ time. This thread showed me I think that it is still best to move page numbers to the top of the page. As to the m dash, I have never done anything with them, but had wondered what was to be done. I do find them often an irritant to the reading experience, hearing the words running together, sometimes to even make it hard to understand the words. Thanks again. Rik