The road is very wide and passable several of the family members take mini vans back to the ranch without second thought. The ranch as you call it (and it used to be) is not abandoned and there are houses / cabins there. To the south of apache maid mountain is a large open range which might work well if I-17 is not a factor. Thank you, Jimmy Ray -----Original Message----- From: az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick Tejera Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 9:08 AM To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: Fredericksen's Meadow and Back to the Monsoons All, At the meeting Friday, I mentioned a possible location I recalled while on a geocaching trip. The spot is near an abandoned ranch house called T-Bar Ranch, just east of Apache Maid Mountain. The ranch house itself is an archeological site, but there is a large meadow to its west. The site appears to be easily accessible from I-17 off the Stoneman Lake Road exit (about 10 miles). The Coordinates of the meadow are: N34 43.775 W111 31.900. Google maps shows the ranch house just to the South east, the road to the site passes it. The meadow is fairly large, extending up to a spot on the map called Sue's tank. I've made a few pdf's of the Garmin topo maps, One a route map from I-17, the other a close up of the site. I'll send them to al who have responded to the thread and anyone else who wants one (let me know off list). It May well be worth a recon trip, I'd certainly be willing to go up and take a looksee. Rick Tejera (K7TEJ) Saguaro Astronomy Club www.saguaroastro.org Thunderbird Amateur Radio Club www.w7tbc.org Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: Fredericksen's Meadow and Back to the Monsoons On 18.08.2013 00:39, Phil S. wrote: > For those of us who were not there, can you enlighten us as to whys > and why nots? > Phil; I am planning on going to the ranger station to get some answers on Monday. The sketchy info that Don spoke at the meeting was that we could not go out onto the meadow at all. I do not know if that rule has been in place always or if it is a brand new rule. I promise to let you know; Steve Coe -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.