[AR] Re: P&W GTF

  • From: Henry Spencer <hspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Arocket List <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 01:20:53 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 3 Apr 2020, ken mason wrote:

I would love to see a scaling analysis of modern electric driven pumps and where their advantage is lost to GG cycle,kind of like the expander cycle is ~ 20KLbF,i.e. the RL-10...

Not everybody thinks the expander cycle poops out at 20klbf -- P&W's bid for the J-2 (200klbf) was an expander, as was a much later proposal for a 600klbf engine. It's not a well-explored part of the design space.

As for the electrics, note that Rocketlab found it important to jettison spent batteries from the second stage. The need for that added complexity suggests that straightforward electric isn't currently performing as well as GG even at Electron size. The advantage is simpler hardware and easier development. (Which is to say, an analysis showing that advantage would be economic more than technical, and would have to make a bunch of debatable assumptions.)

That said, even a purely technical scaling analysis of electric pumps definitely *would* be interesting reading.

Henry

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