[roc-chat] Re: Separate LPR area at ROCtober
- From: Kenneth Brown <ken@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:00:14 -0700
Sorry Wedge,
I disagree. It should be the Pad Manager and not the LCO that determines what
gets launched. RocStock launches are too big for an ad hoc launch order. It has
been broken for too long to continue on in the same way for large launches.
Monthly launches can be much more casual as the wait times almost can't be too
long.
Ken
On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Wedge Oldham wrote:
> The LCO and Pad Manager must dance together. One must lead, the other must
> follow. Really doesn't matter which leads. PM says here launch these
> next.....or the LCO says give me the East size back row next. What is really
> important is for one of the two (not none, and not both) to take the lead.
>
> Wedge
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:42 AM, David Reese <dareese@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:04:24 -0700, Kenneth Brown <ken@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I hope that there will be some more ideas on streamlining the launch
> > process. We can refine as we go along, but not getting something in place
> > is criminal.
>
>
> This.
>
> Wait times have *always* been an issue at ROCStock. Coordination between PM
> and LCO is the greatest challenge; at RS last month, there was a period when
> rockets (none of which were mine) had been sitting on the range for upwards
> of a half hour, and I got peeved enough that I went up, bumped the existing
> pad manager from their position, and started feeding cards to the LCO. We had
> the range cleared in <10 minutes.
>
> I think the issue here might be one of pad organization. Launches that I've
> attended with extraordinarily high throughput lay out the range using a
> bank/pad method (e.g., A1-8 is front row left, B1-8 is front row right, C1-8
> is middle row left, D1-8 is middle row right). This seemed to help keep the
> pad manager's mental process clearer - to launch the right bank, rather than
> grabbing the cards for pads 9-16 and 25-32, they know to grab all the cards
> for banks B and D and feed them to the LCO. It also seemed easier for the LCO
> to remember which banks were closed and open, thus preventing pad helpers
> from running people out to a bank that's been waiting for a while.
>
> On the training issue, this is probably a bit much, but MDRA does videos to
> help train pad managers and RSOs:
> http://www.mdrocketry.org/membership/howto/#PMRSO Their process is a little
> different than ours, but having training aids like this would dramatically
> help speed up the process, I think.
>
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