[patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
- From: Harry Beckhough <harry.beckhough@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Mike Green <mikegreen247@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:23:22 +0100
In WW11 we knew who the enemy was face to face, especially as I remember at
el Alamein; now we seem to be surrounded on all sides and rumours taking
prcious time I can ill spare at 100 forgetting main battle to get clear of
EU
On 22 September 2014 20:04, Mike Green <mikegreen247@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I don't agree, the Holocaust is beginning to bite them on the proverbial
> as more and more people are waking up to their lies. It could well be their
> downfall so long may the debate continue in my opinion.
>
> Mike.
>
> On 22/09/14 19:50, Fred Bishop wrote:
>
> Jewish world bankers!
>
> No problems with that but holocaust propaganda is just one of the
> distractive ploys.
>
> Those that died, poor buggers, are victims of both Jews and Germans they
> both use and abuse their memory for their own ends..
>
> Our enemy is in Westminster and whilst a lot of them are Jewish they would
> be useless without English MPs support.
>
> The English MP is much more that a financial predator he is a traitor.
> Point the weapons that way.
>
> Fred
>
>
>
> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Green
> *Sent:* 22 September 2014 17:52
> *To:* patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
>
>
>
> Fair enough Fred, I understand what you are saying. However I have, up
> until now at least, been pretty reserved on the Holocaust issue on this
> list, whereas I have openly and frequently tried to show others who our
> current enemy is from the day and hour I joined and that has proven to be
> almost as problematic (if not more so) as discussing the Holocaust. Indeed
> I have been accused of being mentally ill on several occasions for doing
> just what you are suggesting. Nevertheless I am prepared to try anything to
> get people to see sense, and will continue doing so until they drag me
> away.
>
> Just to illustrate our difficulty, I have it on very good authority that a
> certain, let's just say, news team are very well aware of who is largely
> responsible for all of our woes (I only put the word "largely" in to keep
> them happy by the way), but dare they say it in their news bulletins? Of
> course not, if they did so today they would be shut down tomorrow. So not
> quite as simple as we would all like it to be.
>
> Anyway a well expressed version of the point made by others, and taken in
> the spirit in which it was made.
>
> Mike.
>
> On 22/09/14 17:16, Fred Bishop wrote:
>
> I appreciate it Mike and respect your views but the Jew topic has been
> going on for ever.
>
> Perhaps the best way to deal with the topic is to direct attention to
> validated actions of the Zionists/Jews or whatever we want to call them.
>
> The argument and critical analysis would then not be personal and it
> behoves the questioner to provide material of the same validity instead of
> unsubstantiated statement of opinion.
>
> There is tons of stuff out there and few people believe the Holocaust
> story. The subject is going round in circles. Harry has a point.
>
> The so called Holocaust maybe in the past but the actions of the Zionists
> are very current and much more relevant. The damage being done today is
> horrific, they use the Holocaust tale to gain sympathy but I am reasonably
> certain that sympathy died years ago.
>
> Fred
>
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> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jack Lewis
> *Sent:* 22 September 2014 14:34
> *To:* patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
>
>
>
> Well said Mike. Those who forget the past will simply repeat it.
>
> Jack
>
>
> On 22/09/2014 12:42, Mike Green wrote:
>
> Fred,
>
> It is not an obsession, it is simply some of trying to get to the truth.
> Without the truth we can never be free, and as Chris said we certainly
> won't know who our real enemy is so any attempt at putting up a fight will
> be futile. As Orwell said: "He who controls the past controls the future."
> All we are doing is trying to break their grip on the past. Only then can
> we hope to have any future at all in this world as we know it.
>
> Mike.
>
> On 22/09/14 12:36, Fred Bishop wrote:
>
> Well said Harry.
>
> Obsessions are destructive and none productive. I agree with you.
>
> Fred
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *Chris Pead
> *Sent:* 22 September 2014 11:54
> *To:* harry.beckhough@xxxxxxxxx; rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Cc:* 'UK Patriot'; 'Patriots'
> *Subject:* [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
>
>
>
> Hello Harry, it’s not nonsense as it is very relevant to the situation we
> find ourselves in today and unless we know who the real enemy is, we are
> just fighting in the dark. Getting out of the EU won’t make any difference
> as the controlling power behind the EU is that independent state known as
> the city of London who masterminded the holocaust lie. - Chris
>
>
>
> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *Harry Beckhough
> *Sent:* 22 September 2014 09:32
> *To:* rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Cc:* UK Patriot; Patriots
> *Subject:* [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
>
>
>
> Why dont you all give up this worthless nonsense and concentrate on
> getting out of EU our primary objective...or have you all given up our
> primary objective hardl y ever mentioned now?
>
>
>
> On 21 September 2014 12:35, Rays1 <rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
>
>
> With the best will in the world, This is becoming fruitless as the norms
> of debate seem to be being a little bypassed
>
>
>
> You are STILL focussing upon "The Joos" figures alone whilst my original
> point was, why dont we examine the issues
>
> involved in locking up masses of population without cause? And that this
> is what is in store for all of us in the end
>
>
>
> I already agreed with you that those figures are open to dispute and thus
> I acknowledged that it was NOT an "irrelevant detail"
>
> but, you respond to me as if I have NOT agreed with that!?
>
>
>
> When I in actual fact, AGREE with you; you nevertheless respond as if I
> had NOT agreed with you...the question then
>
> becomes; why are you persisting in creating causes for us to pointlessly
> 'fight' rather than continue reasoned debate as to what we
>
> may logistically achieve from here?
>
>
>
> We've had this before, Jack and you already know that I dislike such
> adversarial conflict for little apparent reason.
>
>
>
> As before, I simply want to achieve something,. logistically - to help
> save my country from what I perceive to be it's bleak
>
> future in the EU
>
>
>
> You sent a list of "figures" but, Jack, they are no more reliable than if
> I drew up and sent you a list of figures to the opposite
>
>
>
> If this is going to go down the route of disrespect and ridicule of me
> simply because I pose a question,
>
> then we have reached an 'end-stage', it would seem
>
>
>
> Just take me off this list then?
>
>
>
> All the best for you and yours in the future whatever the case
> ....................
>
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> Ray
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> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jack Lewis
> *Sent:* 20 September 2014 19:01
> *To:* patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
>
>
>
> That's a hell of an admission! From 6 million down to 271,000 and you just
> glossed over it an irrelevant detail.
> German's enemies were forced in the same we forced Germans, Italians and
> Japs into internment camps.
>
>
> One of things missing from your emails on this issue is 'evidence'. There
> is no point in quoting the 'official' line as this is exactly what our
> evidence contradicts. If you want to continue this discussion you have to
> show where our evidence is wrong .
>
>
> Mike has already given you much to consider but I bet you don't look at it.
>
> Jack
>
>
> On 20/09/2014 18:38, Rays1 wrote:
>
> Hello Jack,
>
>
>
> As I say, the numbers may well be in dispute, I agree but, the point
> remains that people being **forced** into camps
>
> is still always overlooked don't you think?
>
>
>
> We may all soon be forced into them as well I think. The underlying and
> over-arching fascist attitude towards masses of
>
> the population is what I'm getting at. It's this we are facing again -
> albeit in a much more sophisticated and computerised
>
> manner that the Nazis and Stalinists could only dream of achieving
>
>
>
> What we are dealing with is deeper than distracting arguments over things
> like the numbers involved
>
>
>
> The NOW is what concerns me more...and how we all deal with it and respond
> to it logistically, hence my suggestion for
>
> wide-spread leaflets and such, you know?
>
>
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jack Lewis
> *Sent:* 20 September 2014 15:43
> *To:* patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
>
>
>
> Hi Ray,
> Mike mentioned the Red Cross having representatives in EVERY camp - the
> Red Cross produced a document that showed the total death toll over all the
> camps was just over 271,301 people. See document below.
>
> Jack
>
>
> [image: http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/auschwitz.jpg]
>
> Calm down Ray, no-one is saying anything of the sort. Of course there were
> dead and dying, and of course the scenes encountered by the camp liberators
> were horrifying, but this was only in some of the camps. These particular
> camps just so happened to have typhus and other epidemics raging through
> them and had not been receiving food or medical supplies for months as a
> direct result of the allies bombing the supply lines. This is a matter of
> record, indeed the Red Cross, who had representatives in ALL of the camps,
> said that the allied bombing did more harm to the inmates in those those
> particular camps during the last three or four months leading up to their
> liberation than the Germans had done throughout the entire war. That is
> what your friends and relatives witnessed as opposed to the hysterical lies
> and propaganda that you are spouting. Did you not know that the allied
> medical corps (both US and British) carried out post mortems on thousands
> of the dead and reported that the inmates had died from typhus and other
> diseases and malnutrition? Not one single case of death by gas poisoning
> could be found. None! Their reports can still be seen today/ Your American
> officers were absolutely correct to be disgusted but, acting on pure
> impulse, unfortunately they took their disgust out on the wrong people.
>
> As for you reference to "gas ovens", they were actually coke fired
> crematoria, designed and built to cremate people who died in the camps.
> Bodies could not be buried, particularly at Auschwitz, because of the risk
> of Typhus so they were burned. There were only a small number of
> crematoria, and certainly nowhere near enough to burn the ridiculous
> numbers touted by the propagandists. They have done one heck of a job on
> you Ray. Where were you when Jack was presenting you with all of the
> evidence that blows these lies to pieces? With respect I really do suggest
> it is time you take your gas tinted spectacles off and do some serious
> research into this. Until you have done so then I hardly think you are in a
> position to make such judgements as you have here.
>
> Mike.
>
> On 20/09/14 14:33, Rays1 wrote:
>
> Now, I've respect for all and both here, and John T but, consider me as
> 'Joe Public' for a second, ok?
>
>
>
> From this 'devils advocate' position, you appear to be saying that all the
> concentration camp evidence of decimated
>
> and starved bodies (many even being bull-dozed into pits) - which all
> older folks know of, - "was all edited and revamped
>
> in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock". The archaeological, physical, human
> bodily remains in purpose-built and intentionally ENGINEERED
>
> gas ovens, and ALL photographic records which openly support and prove the
> veracity of my relatives personal witness, should now be
>
> instantly dismissed as just so much BS ...and just because you claim,....
> "The film footage of allies entering the concentration camps
>
> was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock"
>
>
>
> Have you any idea how completely "NUTSO" that might sound to everyone else?
>
>
>
> Just listen for a second, Ok?. I have family relatives that were amongst
> those that actually entered those camps as part of
>
> our army and who personally witnessed those atrocities on the ground -
> and at that time. They told me that some American
>
> officers were so utterly disgusted at what they witnessed that they simply
> dragged out the nearest Nazi in charge and summarily
>
> hung them on the spot. (Clearly a war crime too but, one of the few that
> might be somewhat understandable?)
>
>
>
> It was clear that some of ours did exactly the same
>
>
>
> My wifes Grandad experienced both world wars - sadly, died at 95yrs
> -...Am I, or the public at large, supposed to
>
> abruptly drop our life beliefs and our loved ones honest testimony to us
> as 'delusions' and instead embrace your text?
>
>
>
> So, my relatives lied to me, did they ?!.. their senses somehow betrayed
> them and they were simply unaware that they were
>
> in fact, taking an unwitting part in........film footage of allies
> entering the concentration camps was all edited and revamped in
>
> Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock.."
>
>
>
> Oh, I see!...So they were all 'deluded' and did not realise that all their
> tramping and fighting across France for weeks on end
>
> beforehand was actually doing no more than playing a bit part in a
> Hollywood plot devised by Alfred Hitchcock?!!....Really...?
>
>
>
> Oh, Give me a break.
>
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> Ray
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> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *john TIMBRELL
> *Sent:* 20 September 2014 08:08
> *To:* cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Cc:* patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
>
>
>
> Thanks for your reply Chris. Have you any knowledge of the cotent of the
> film which would contradict my suspicion which is, that the film showed the
> true position of the camps.i.e no gas chambers and that the piles of bodies
> were the result of starvation and disease.
> I suspect the Jews knew this and stopped it's circulation.
> If I am right I suspect they will try and stop it's transmission and it
> will need people like yourself to force it's transmission.
> There was another reel of film which Hitchcock did not use.
> If the Imperial War Museum did an unbiased job of restoring the film and
> including the added reel then it may show some true light on the subject
> and awaken the present public to the lies spread by the Jews and now
> supported by Cameron. JohnT
>
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>
> From: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx; patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:08:34 +0100
>
> Hello John,
>
> The film footage of allies entering the concentration camps was all edited
> and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock, including the wheeling of
> dead Germans to passed off as Jews – see attached file - Chris
>
>
>
> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *john TIMBRELL
> *Sent:* 18 September 2014 08:45
> *To:* patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [patriots] News re Holocaust
>
>
>
> BBC radio 4 0815 + 18th Sept. Hear now on iPlayer.
> Review of previously unshown film restored at the British war museum.
> This is material filmed by ordinary people but specially trained as
> cameramen who accompanied soldiers as they entered the concentration camps.
> The material was collated by Alfred Hitchcock but was never shown in a
> completed form. No reason given as yet.
> The reviewer said there were heaps of bodies and people in a terrible
> state.
> A decision was made to keep the people within the camps to feed them
> because there was no food outside the camps. Plus the camps were riddled
> with typhus and they did not wish the disease to be spread outside the
> camps.
>
> I'm unsure of the following. The man commissioning the film was named
> Bernstein. Perhaps he was the person who decided not to show the film. JohnT
>
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