Jack, you provide this..... http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/a uschwitz.jpg I await Evidence, Clearly, you are unable to do so We are therefore done here, as I said You are not the holder of some secret knowledge known only to you few. I suggest you reflect rather than I Ray From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Lewis Sent: 21 September 2014 20:29 To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust I told you that you have been given just some of the evidence but obviously you either haven't looked at it or choose to ignore it. You are not the first person who has refused to consider the anti-Holocaust evidence because of relatives being involved. One person who refuses to communicate with me now, whose father was one of the first troops into Belson, I think it was, will not consider the evidence of the military doctors. His simply will not accept it. It is obvious why in that he cannot bring himself to think that his dad was misled. Like you it is a deep seated belief and people do not easily give up deep seated beliefs as it becomes a personal attack on them. Think about it Ray! Jack On 21/09/2014 17:40, Rays1 wrote: Exactly And you provide none - nor response to any issues or points I raise. The "closed mind" issue is again, one you should reconsider We are done here, Jack From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Lewis Sent: 21 September 2014 13:24 To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust I've said there is no point in discussing this with you because you will not look at the evidence. Jack On 21/09/2014 12:35, Rays1 wrote: Jack, With the best will in the world, This is becoming fruitless as the norms of debate seem to be being a little bypassed You are STILL focussing upon "The Joos" figures alone whilst my original point was, why dont we examine the issues involved in locking up masses of population without cause? And that this is what is in store for all of us in the end I already agreed with you that those figures are open to dispute and thus I acknowledged that it was NOT an "irrelevant detail" but, you respond to me as if I have NOT agreed with that!? When I in actual fact, AGREE with you; you nevertheless respond as if I had NOT agreed with you...the question then becomes; why are you persisting in creating causes for us to pointlessly 'fight' rather than continue reasoned debate as to what we may logistically achieve from here? We've had this before, Jack and you already know that I dislike such adversarial conflict for little apparent reason. As before, I simply want to achieve something,. logistically - to help save my country from what I perceive to be it's bleak future in the EU You sent a list of "figures" but, Jack, they are no more reliable than if I drew up and sent you a list of figures to the opposite If this is going to go down the route of disrespect and ridicule of me simply because I pose a question, then we have reached an 'end-stage', it would seem Just take me off this list then? All the best for you and yours in the future whatever the case .................... Ray From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Lewis Sent: 20 September 2014 19:01 To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust That's a hell of an admission! From 6 million down to 271,000 and you just glossed over it an irrelevant detail. German's enemies were forced in the same we forced Germans, Italians and Japs into internment camps. One of things missing from your emails on this issue is 'evidence'. There is no point in quoting the 'official' line as this is exactly what our evidence contradicts. If you want to continue this discussion you have to show where our evidence is wrong . Mike has already given you much to consider but I bet you don't look at it. Jack On 20/09/2014 18:38, Rays1 wrote: Hello Jack, As I say, the numbers may well be in dispute, I agree but, the point remains that people being *forced* into camps is still always overlooked don't you think? We may all soon be forced into them as well I think. The underlying and over-arching fascist attitude towards masses of the population is what I'm getting at. It's this we are facing again - albeit in a much more sophisticated and computerised manner that the Nazis and Stalinists could only dream of achieving What we are dealing with is deeper than distracting arguments over things like the numbers involved The NOW is what concerns me more...and how we all deal with it and respond to it logistically, hence my suggestion for wide-spread leaflets and such, you know? Ray From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Lewis Sent: 20 September 2014 15:43 To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust Hi Ray, Mike mentioned the Red Cross having representatives in EVERY camp - the Red Cross produced a document that showed the total death toll over all the camps was just over 271,301 people. See document below. Jack http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/a uschwitz.jpg Calm down Ray, no-one is saying anything of the sort. Of course there were dead and dying, and of course the scenes encountered by the camp liberators were horrifying, but this was only in some of the camps. These particular camps just so happened to have typhus and other epidemics raging through them and had not been receiving food or medical supplies for months as a direct result of the allies bombing the supply lines. This is a matter of record, indeed the Red Cross, who had representatives in ALL of the camps, said that the allied bombing did more harm to the inmates in those those particular camps during the last three or four months leading up to their liberation than the Germans had done throughout the entire war. That is what your friends and relatives witnessed as opposed to the hysterical lies and propaganda that you are spouting. Did you not know that the allied medical corps (both US and British) carried out post mortems on thousands of the dead and reported that the inmates had died from typhus and other diseases and malnutrition? Not one single case of death by gas poisoning could be found. None! Their reports can still be seen today/ Your American officers were absolutely correct to be disgusted but, acting on pure impulse, unfortunately they took their disgust out on the wrong people. As for you reference to "gas ovens", they were actually coke fired crematoria, designed and built to cremate people who died in the camps. Bodies could not be buried, particularly at Auschwitz, because of the risk of Typhus so they were burned. There were only a small number of crematoria, and certainly nowhere near enough to burn the ridiculous numbers touted by the propagandists. They have done one heck of a job on you Ray. Where were you when Jack was presenting you with all of the evidence that blows these lies to pieces? With respect I really do suggest it is time you take your gas tinted spectacles off and do some serious research into this. Until you have done so then I hardly think you are in a position to make such judgements as you have here. Mike. On 20/09/14 14:33, Rays1 wrote: Now, I've respect for all and both here, and John T but, consider me as 'Joe Public' for a second, ok? From this 'devils advocate' position, you appear to be saying that all the concentration camp evidence of decimated and starved bodies (many even being bull-dozed into pits) - which all older folks know of, - "was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock". The archaeological, physical, human bodily remains in purpose-built and intentionally ENGINEERED gas ovens, and ALL photographic records which openly support and prove the veracity of my relatives personal witness, should now be instantly dismissed as just so much BS ...and just because you claim,.... "The film footage of allies entering the concentration camps was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock" Have you any idea how completely "NUTSO" that might sound to everyone else? Just listen for a second, Ok?. I have family relatives that were amongst those that actually entered those camps as part of our army and who personally witnessed those atrocities on the ground - and at that time. They told me that some American officers were so utterly disgusted at what they witnessed that they simply dragged out the nearest Nazi in charge and summarily hung them on the spot. (Clearly a war crime too but, one of the few that might be somewhat understandable?) It was clear that some of ours did exactly the same My wifes Grandad experienced both world wars - sadly, died at 95yrs -...Am I, or the public at large, supposed to abruptly drop our life beliefs and our loved ones honest testimony to us as 'delusions' and instead embrace your text? So, my relatives lied to me, did they ?!.. their senses somehow betrayed them and they were simply unaware that they were in fact, taking an unwitting part in........film footage of allies entering the concentration camps was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock.." Oh, I see!...So they were all 'deluded' and did not realise that all their tramping and fighting across France for weeks on end beforehand was actually doing no more than playing a bit part in a Hollywood plot devised by Alfred Hitchcock?!!....Really...? Oh, Give me a break. Ray From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john TIMBRELL Sent: 20 September 2014 08:08 To: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust Thanks for your reply Chris. Have you any knowledge of the cotent of the film which would contradict my suspicion which is, that the film showed the true position of the camps.i.e no gas chambers and that the piles of bodies were the result of starvation and disease. I suspect the Jews knew this and stopped it's circulation. If I am right I suspect they will try and stop it's transmission and it will need people like yourself to force it's transmission. There was another reel of film which Hitchcock did not use. If the Imperial War Museum did an unbiased job of restoring the film and including the added reel then it may show some true light on the subject and awaken the present public to the lies spread by the Jews and now supported by Cameron. JohnT _____ From: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx To: johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx; patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:08:34 +0100 Hello John, The film footage of allies entering the concentration camps was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock, including the wheeling of dead Germans to passed off as Jews - see attached file - Chris From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john TIMBRELL Sent: 18 September 2014 08:45 To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [patriots] News re Holocaust BBC radio 4 0815 + 18th Sept. Hear now on iPlayer. Review of previously unshown film restored at the British war museum. This is material filmed by ordinary people but specially trained as cameramen who accompanied soldiers as they entered the concentration camps. The material was collated by Alfred Hitchcock but was never shown in a completed form. No reason given as yet. The reviewer said there were heaps of bodies and people in a terrible state. A decision was made to keep the people within the camps to feed them because there was no food outside the camps. Plus the camps were riddled with typhus and they did not wish the disease to be spread outside the camps. I'm unsure of the following. The man commissioning the film was named Bernstein. Perhaps he was the person who decided not to show the film. JohnT _____ <http://www.avast.com/> http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.pn g This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com/> protection is active.