[patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
- From: "Fred Bishop" <fredbiship@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mikegreen247@xxxxxxxxx>, <patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 19:50:13 +0100
Jewish world bankers!
No problems with that but holocaust propaganda is just one of the distractive
ploys.
Those that died, poor buggers, are victims of both Jews and Germans they both
use and abuse their memory for their own ends..
Our enemy is in Westminster and whilst a lot of them are Jewish they would be
useless without English MPs support.
The English MP is much more that a financial predator he is a traitor. Point
the weapons that way.
Fred
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Green
Sent: 22 September 2014 17:52
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Fair enough Fred, I understand what you are saying. However I have, up until
now at least, been pretty reserved on the Holocaust issue on this list, whereas
I have openly and frequently tried to show others who our current enemy is from
the day and hour I joined and that has proven to be almost as problematic (if
not more so) as discussing the Holocaust. Indeed I have been accused of being
mentally ill on several occasions for doing just what you are suggesting.
Nevertheless I am prepared to try anything to get people to see sense, and will
continue doing so until they drag me away.
Just to illustrate our difficulty, I have it on very good authority that a
certain, let's just say, news team are very well aware of who is largely
responsible for all of our woes (I only put the word "largely" in to keep them
happy by the way), but dare they say it in their news bulletins? Of course not,
if they did so today they would be shut down tomorrow. So not quite as simple
as we would all like it to be.
Anyway a well expressed version of the point made by others, and taken in the
spirit in which it was made.
Mike.
On 22/09/14 17:16, Fred Bishop wrote:
I appreciate it Mike and respect your views but the Jew topic has been going on
for ever.
Perhaps the best way to deal with the topic is to direct attention to validated
actions of the Zionists/Jews or whatever we want to call them.
The argument and critical analysis would then not be personal and it behoves
the questioner to provide material of the same validity instead of
unsubstantiated statement of opinion.
There is tons of stuff out there and few people believe the Holocaust story.
The subject is going round in circles. Harry has a point.
The so called Holocaust maybe in the past but the actions of the Zionists are
very current and much more relevant. The damage being done today is horrific,
they use the Holocaust tale to gain sympathy but I am reasonably certain that
sympathy died years ago.
Fred
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jack Lewis
Sent: 22 September 2014 14:34
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Well said Mike. Those who forget the past will simply repeat it.
Jack
On 22/09/2014 12:42, Mike Green wrote:
Fred,
It is not an obsession, it is simply some of trying to get to the truth.
Without the truth we can never be free, and as Chris said we certainly won't
know who our real enemy is so any attempt at putting up a fight will be futile.
As Orwell said: "He who controls the past controls the future." All we are
doing is trying to break their grip on the past. Only then can we hope to have
any future at all in this world as we know it.
Mike.
On 22/09/14 12:36, Fred Bishop wrote:
Well said Harry.
Obsessions are destructive and none productive. I agree with you.
Fred
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Chris Pead
Sent: 22 September 2014 11:54
To: harry.beckhough@xxxxxxxxx; rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'UK Patriot'; 'Patriots'
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Hello Harry, it’s not nonsense as it is very relevant to the situation we find
ourselves in today and unless we know who the real enemy is, we are just
fighting in the dark. Getting out of the EU won’t make any difference as the
controlling power behind the EU is that independent state known as the city of
London who masterminded the holocaust lie. - Chris
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Harry Beckhough
Sent: 22 September 2014 09:32
To: rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: UK Patriot; Patriots
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Why dont you all give up this worthless nonsense and concentrate on getting out
of EU our primary objective...or have you all given up our primary objective
hardl y ever mentioned now?
On 21 September 2014 12:35, Rays1 <rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jack,
With the best will in the world, This is becoming fruitless as the norms of
debate seem to be being a little bypassed
You are STILL focussing upon "The Joos" figures alone whilst my original point
was, why dont we examine the issues
involved in locking up masses of population without cause? And that this is
what is in store for all of us in the end
I already agreed with you that those figures are open to dispute and thus I
acknowledged that it was NOT an "irrelevant detail"
but, you respond to me as if I have NOT agreed with that!?
When I in actual fact, AGREE with you; you nevertheless respond as if I had
NOT agreed with you...the question then
becomes; why are you persisting in creating causes for us to pointlessly
'fight' rather than continue reasoned debate as to what we
may logistically achieve from here?
We've had this before, Jack and you already know that I dislike such
adversarial conflict for little apparent reason.
As before, I simply want to achieve something,. logistically - to help save my
country from what I perceive to be it's bleak
future in the EU
You sent a list of "figures" but, Jack, they are no more reliable than if I
drew up and sent you a list of figures to the opposite
If this is going to go down the route of disrespect and ridicule of me simply
because I pose a question,
then we have reached an 'end-stage', it would seem
Just take me off this list then?
All the best for you and yours in the future whatever the case
....................
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jack Lewis
Sent: 20 September 2014 19:01
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
That's a hell of an admission! From 6 million down to 271,000 and you just
glossed over it an irrelevant detail.
German's enemies were forced in the same we forced Germans, Italians and Japs
into internment camps.
One of things missing from your emails on this issue is 'evidence'. There is no
point in quoting the 'official' line as this is exactly what our evidence
contradicts. If you want to continue this discussion you have to show where our
evidence is wrong .
Mike has already given you much to consider but I bet you don't look at it.
Jack
On 20/09/2014 18:38, Rays1 wrote:
Hello Jack,
As I say, the numbers may well be in dispute, I agree but, the point remains
that people being *forced* into camps
is still always overlooked don't you think?
We may all soon be forced into them as well I think. The underlying and
over-arching fascist attitude towards masses of
the population is what I'm getting at. It's this we are facing again - albeit
in a much more sophisticated and computerised
manner that the Nazis and Stalinists could only dream of achieving
What we are dealing with is deeper than distracting arguments over things like
the numbers involved
The NOW is what concerns me more...and how we all deal with it and respond to
it logistically, hence my suggestion for
wide-spread leaflets and such, you know?
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jack Lewis
Sent: 20 September 2014 15:43
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Hi Ray,
Mike mentioned the Red Cross having representatives in EVERY camp - the Red
Cross produced a document that showed the total death toll over all the camps
was just over 271,301 people. See document below.
Jack
http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/auschwitz.jpg
Calm down Ray, no-one is saying anything of the sort. Of course there were dead
and dying, and of course the scenes encountered by the camp liberators were
horrifying, but this was only in some of the camps. These particular camps just
so happened to have typhus and other epidemics raging through them and had not
been receiving food or medical supplies for months as a direct result of the
allies bombing the supply lines. This is a matter of record, indeed the Red
Cross, who had representatives in ALL of the camps, said that the allied
bombing did more harm to the inmates in those those particular camps during the
last three or four months leading up to their liberation than the Germans had
done throughout the entire war. That is what your friends and relatives
witnessed as opposed to the hysterical lies and propaganda that you are
spouting. Did you not know that the allied medical corps (both US and British)
carried out post mortems on thousands of the dead and reported that the inmates
had died from typhus and other diseases and malnutrition? Not one single case
of death by gas poisoning could be found. None! Their reports can still be seen
today/ Your American officers were absolutely correct to be disgusted but,
acting on pure impulse, unfortunately they took their disgust out on the wrong
people.
As for you reference to "gas ovens", they were actually coke fired crematoria,
designed and built to cremate people who died in the camps. Bodies could not be
buried, particularly at Auschwitz, because of the risk of Typhus so they were
burned. There were only a small number of crematoria, and certainly nowhere
near enough to burn the ridiculous numbers touted by the propagandists. They
have done one heck of a job on you Ray. Where were you when Jack was presenting
you with all of the evidence that blows these lies to pieces? With respect I
really do suggest it is time you take your gas tinted spectacles off and do
some serious research into this. Until you have done so then I hardly think you
are in a position to make such judgements as you have here.
Mike.
On 20/09/14 14:33, Rays1 wrote:
Now, I've respect for all and both here, and John T but, consider me as 'Joe
Public' for a second, ok?
From this 'devils advocate' position, you appear to be saying that all the
concentration camp evidence of decimated
and starved bodies (many even being bull-dozed into pits) - which all older
folks know of, - "was all edited and revamped
in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock". The archaeological, physical, human bodily
remains in purpose-built and intentionally ENGINEERED
gas ovens, and ALL photographic records which openly support and prove the
veracity of my relatives personal witness, should now be
instantly dismissed as just so much BS ...and just because you claim,.... "The
film footage of allies entering the concentration camps
was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock"
Have you any idea how completely "NUTSO" that might sound to everyone else?
Just listen for a second, Ok?. I have family relatives that were amongst those
that actually entered those camps as part of
our army and who personally witnessed those atrocities on the ground - and at
that time. They told me that some American
officers were so utterly disgusted at what they witnessed that they simply
dragged out the nearest Nazi in charge and summarily
hung them on the spot. (Clearly a war crime too but, one of the few that might
be somewhat understandable?)
It was clear that some of ours did exactly the same
My wifes Grandad experienced both world wars - sadly, died at 95yrs -...Am I,
or the public at large, supposed to
abruptly drop our life beliefs and our loved ones honest testimony to us as
'delusions' and instead embrace your text?
So, my relatives lied to me, did they ?!.. their senses somehow betrayed them
and they were simply unaware that they were
in fact, taking an unwitting part in........film footage of allies entering
the concentration camps was all edited and revamped in
Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock.."
Oh, I see!...So they were all 'deluded' and did not realise that all their
tramping and fighting across France for weeks on end
beforehand was actually doing no more than playing a bit part in a Hollywood
plot devised by Alfred Hitchcock?!!....Really...?
Oh, Give me a break.
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of john TIMBRELL
Sent: 20 September 2014 08:08
To: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Thanks for your reply Chris. Have you any knowledge of the cotent of the film
which would contradict my suspicion which is, that the film showed the true
position of the camps.i.e no gas chambers and that the piles of bodies were the
result of starvation and disease.
I suspect the Jews knew this and stopped it's circulation.
If I am right I suspect they will try and stop it's transmission and it will
need people like yourself to force it's transmission.
There was another reel of film which Hitchcock did not use.
If the Imperial War Museum did an unbiased job of restoring the film and
including the added reel then it may show some true light on the subject and
awaken the present public to the lies spread by the Jews and now supported by
Cameron. JohnT
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From: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx; patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:08:34 +0100
Hello John,
The film footage of allies entering the concentration camps was all edited and
revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock, including the wheeling of dead
Germans to passed off as Jews – see attached file - Chris
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of john TIMBRELL
Sent: 18 September 2014 08:45
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] News re Holocaust
BBC radio 4 0815 + 18th Sept. Hear now on iPlayer.
Review of previously unshown film restored at the British war museum.
This is material filmed by ordinary people but specially trained as cameramen
who accompanied soldiers as they entered the concentration camps.
The material was collated by Alfred Hitchcock but was never shown in a
completed form. No reason given as yet.
The reviewer said there were heaps of bodies and people in a terrible state.
A decision was made to keep the people within the camps to feed them because
there was no food outside the camps. Plus the camps were riddled with typhus
and they did not wish the disease to be spread outside the camps.
I'm unsure of the following. The man commissioning the film was named
Bernstein. Perhaps he was the person who decided not to show the film. JohnT
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