Please show me a copy of this "tirade" I supposedly ranted against Andrew? I have'nt a copy of it Most emails are not kept by many of us I suspect as they are so numerous I'm afraid I don't recall that one just now. I may have disagreed with him over something or other but, that happens occasionally and reasonable adults do this at times, without rancour or offence, I honestly dont recall it off-hand ... "patronising, sarcastic emails" eh? Well, well, it gets better! Interesting as entertainment I suppose but like I say, it's not really my 'bag' if you know what I mean? I say what I believe and I'm, sorry if that offends anyone but I dont mean to; but it is what I believe until such time as I'm enlightened otherwise - in a "reasonable" fashion, you know? I dont think any of us are exactly 'Kids' here, are we! Ray From: Mike Green [mailto:mikegreen247@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: 20 September 2014 16:57 To: Rays1; patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust You are right Ray, there is no point in going any further. By the way, I find your patronising and sarcastic emails offensive too, but I just choose to ignore it and reply anyway. Your recent tirade on Andrew was a disgrace. If you feel that you are the one who is allowed to get passionate around here then so be it, I won't be indulging you again. Mike. On 20/09/14 16:46, Rays1 wrote: Why feel the wish to patronisingly tell me to "calm down", Mike?...That kind of talk is known to be a PR disaster for those who indulge in it (eg: politicians).... You are just writing more unevidenced text on top of that gone before. If I saw evidence that my relatives were 'deluded' as to what they actually experienced on the ground, I would consider it seriously but, just more and more piles of unevidenced text goes nowhere. I feel there is little doubt that the holocaust tales may well have been exaggerated and are needing further investigation but unfortunately 'they' would never allow that. It's probable that the figures were exaggerated - likely so maybe! However, it DID happen and those that insist it did not are imho the ones that are sadly deluded When you *force* people into camps (and that is the underlying issue of utmost import that is always *pointedly* glossed over)... then unhappiness, to say the least, at such unnatural imprisonment is a given. 'Typhus' and 'other epidemics' are the known consequence of such imposed conditions - and was intended ..this is simple fact. You say that this was "only" in "some of the camps". Well, all I can say is that you might choose to reconsider your attitude somewhat?...if it where your wife and children that just "happened" to be in "some" of those camps...............(?)..or yourself so suffering? [Mike Green] "As for you reference to "gas ovens", they were actually coke fired crematoria"...... So you are an industrial engineer then, Mike? I am too as it happens, and I have seen the blueprints for those "crematoria" so you are once again welcome to show evidence to support your contentions to me, and we might then discuss it in private as professionals but, simply piling yet more text upon previously unevidenced text means little I'm afraid. As to your reference to the "hysterical lies and propaganda" that you now so ludicrously claim that I am "spouting" in simply raising these points,... Well, I simply find that personally offensive, Mike; as well as just so un-called for that you have thus caused us to part company in any further civilized debate. I would though, still be willing to peruse and discuss, professionally, with you your evidence of the "crematoria" - built only after the fact -, and despite many people having already been *intentionally* killed on an engineeringly industrial scale, and in their many thousands [Mike \Green] "They have done one heck of a job on you Ray" Really, Mike?. I'm not familiar with the concept that a reasonable question may be so denigrated as to say that some unspecified "they" must have "done a really good job" on the mere poser of that reasonable question but, there you go! Such is life I suppose Maybe it's you that 'they've' "really done a heck of a job on"?! I see no point in any more response to this matter Mike as it has already and so quickly gone "Downhill" as to spur gratuitous offensiveness from you - and thats just not my 'bag' if you know what I mean? All the best anyway mate Ray From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Green Sent: 20 September 2014 15:23 To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust Calm down Ray, no-one is saying anything of the sort. Of course there were dead and dying, and of course the scenes encountered by the camp liberators were horrifying, but this was only in some of the camps. These particular camps just so happened to have typhus and other epidemics raging through them and had not been receiving food or medical supplies for months as a direct result of the allies bombing the supply lines. This is a matter of record, indeed the Red Cross, who had representatives in ALL of the camps, said that the allied bombing did more harm to the inmates in those those particular camps during the last three or four months leading up to their liberation than the Germans had done throughout the entire war. That is what your friends and relatives witnessed as opposed to the hysterical lies and propaganda that you are spouting. Did you not know that the allied medical corps (both US and British) carried out post mortems on thousands of the dead and reported that the inmates had died from typhus and other diseases and malnutrition? Not one single case of death by gas poisoning could be found. None! Their reports can still be seen today/ Your American officers were absolutely correct to be disgusted but, acting on pure impulse, unfortunately they took their disgust out on the wrong people. As for you reference to "gas ovens", they were actually coke fired crematoria, designed and built to cremate people who died in the camps. Bodies could not be buried, particularly at Auschwitz, because of the risk of Typhus so they were burned. There were only a small number of crematoria, and certainly nowhere near enough to burn the ridiculous numbers touted by the propagandists. They have done one heck of a job on you Ray. Where were you when Jack was presenting you with all of the evidence that blows these lies to pieces? With respect I really do suggest it is time you take your gas tinted spectacles off and do some serious research into this. Until you have done so then I hardly think you are in a position to make such judgements as you have here. Mike. On 20/09/14 14:33, Rays1 wrote: Now, I've respect for all and both here, and John T but, consider me as 'Joe Public' for a second, ok? From this 'devils advocate' position, you appear to be saying that all the concentration camp evidence of decimated and starved bodies (many even being bull-dozed into pits) - which all older folks know of, - "was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock". The archaeological, physical, human bodily remains in purpose-built and intentionally ENGINEERED gas ovens, and ALL photographic records which openly support and prove the veracity of my relatives personal witness, should now be instantly dismissed as just so much BS ...and just because you claim,.... "The film footage of allies entering the concentration camps was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock" Have you any idea how completely "NUTSO" that might sound to everyone else? Just listen for a second, Ok?. I have family relatives that were amongst those that actually entered those camps as part of our army and who personally witnessed those atrocities on the ground - and at that time. They told me that some American officers were so utterly disgusted at what they witnessed that they simply dragged out the nearest Nazi in charge and summarily hung them on the spot. (Clearly a war crime too but, one of the few that might be somewhat understandable?) It was clear that some of ours did exactly the same My wifes Grandad experienced both world wars - sadly, died at 95yrs -...Am I, or the public at large, supposed to abruptly drop our life beliefs and our loved ones honest testimony to us as 'delusions' and instead embrace your text? So, my relatives lied to me, did they ?!.. their senses somehow betrayed them and they were simply unaware that they were in fact, taking an unwitting part in........film footage of allies entering the concentration camps was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock.." Oh, I see!...So they were all 'deluded' and did not realise that all their tramping and fighting across France for weeks on end beforehand was actually doing no more than playing a bit part in a Hollywood plot devised by Alfred Hitchcock?!!....Really...? Oh, Give me a break. Ray From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john TIMBRELL Sent: 20 September 2014 08:08 To: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust Thanks for your reply Chris. Have you any knowledge of the cotent of the film which would contradict my suspicion which is, that the film showed the true position of the camps.i.e no gas chambers and that the piles of bodies were the result of starvation and disease. I suspect the Jews knew this and stopped it's circulation. If I am right I suspect they will try and stop it's transmission and it will need people like yourself to force it's transmission. There was another reel of film which Hitchcock did not use. If the Imperial War Museum did an unbiased job of restoring the film and including the added reel then it may show some true light on the subject and awaken the present public to the lies spread by the Jews and now supported by Cameron. JohnT _____ From: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx To: johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx; patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:08:34 +0100 Hello John, The film footage of allies entering the concentration camps was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock, including the wheeling of dead Germans to passed off as Jews - see attached file - Chris From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john TIMBRELL Sent: 18 September 2014 08:45 To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [patriots] News re Holocaust BBC radio 4 0815 + 18th Sept. Hear now on iPlayer. Review of previously unshown film restored at the British war museum. This is material filmed by ordinary people but specially trained as cameramen who accompanied soldiers as they entered the concentration camps. The material was collated by Alfred Hitchcock but was never shown in a completed form. No reason given as yet. The reviewer said there were heaps of bodies and people in a terrible state. A decision was made to keep the people within the camps to feed them because there was no food outside the camps. Plus the camps were riddled with typhus and they did not wish the disease to be spread outside the camps. I'm unsure of the following. The man commissioning the film was named Bernstein. Perhaps he was the person who decided not to show the film. JohnT _____ <http://www.avast.com/> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com/> protection is active.