[patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
- From: "Rays1" <rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mikegreen247@xxxxxxxxx>, <patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:46:36 +0100
Why feel the wish to patronisingly tell me to
"calm down", Mike?...That kind of talk is known to
be a PR disaster for those who
indulge in it (eg: politicians)....
You are just writing more unevidenced text on top
of that gone before.
If I saw evidence that my relatives were 'deluded'
as to what they actually experienced on the
ground, I would consider it
seriously but, just more and more piles of
unevidenced text goes nowhere.
I feel there is little doubt that the holocaust
tales may well have been exaggerated and are
needing further investigation
but unfortunately 'they' would never allow that.
It's probable that the figures were exaggerated -
likely so maybe!
However, it DID happen and those that insist it
did not are imho the ones that are sadly deluded
When you *force* people into camps (and that is
the underlying issue of utmost import that is
always *pointedly* glossed over)...
then unhappiness, to say the least, at such
unnatural imprisonment is a given. 'Typhus' and
'other epidemics' are the known
consequence of such imposed conditions - and was
intended ..this is simple fact.
You say that this was "only" in "some of the
camps". Well, all I can say is that you might
choose to reconsider your attitude
somewhat?...if it where your wife and children
that just "happened" to be in "some" of those
camps...............(?)..or yourself
so suffering?
[Mike Green] "As for you reference to "gas ovens",
they were actually coke fired crematoria"......
So you are an industrial engineer then, Mike?
I am too as it happens, and I have seen the
blueprints for those "crematoria" so you are once
again welcome to show evidence to support
your contentions to me, and we might then discuss
it in private as professionals but, simply piling
yet more text upon previously unevidenced
text means little I'm afraid.
As to your reference to the "hysterical lies and
propaganda" that you now so ludicrously claim that
I am "spouting" in simply raising these points,...
Well, I simply find that personally offensive,
Mike; as well as just so un-called for that you
have thus caused us to part company in any further
civilized debate. I would though, still be willing
to peruse and discuss, professionally, with you
your evidence of the "crematoria" - built only
after the fact -, and despite many people having
already been *intentionally* killed on an
engineeringly industrial scale, and in their many
thousands
[Mike \Green] "They have done one heck of a job
on you Ray"
Really, Mike?. I'm not familiar with the concept
that a reasonable question may be so denigrated as
to say that some unspecified "they" must
have "done a really good job" on the mere poser of
that reasonable question but, there you go! Such
is life I suppose
Maybe it's you that 'they've' "really done a heck
of a job on"?!
I see no point in any more response to this matter
Mike as it has already and so quickly gone
"Downhill" as to spur gratuitous offensiveness
from you - and thats just not my 'bag' if you
know what I mean?
All the best anyway mate
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Mike Green
Sent: 20 September 2014 15:23
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Calm down Ray, no-one is saying anything of the
sort. Of course there were dead and dying, and of
course the scenes encountered by the camp
liberators were horrifying, but this was only in
some of the camps. These particular camps just so
happened to have typhus and other epidemics raging
through them and had not been receiving food or
medical supplies for months as a direct result of
the allies bombing the supply lines. This is a
matter of record, indeed the Red Cross, who had
representatives in ALL of the camps, said that the
allied bombing did more harm to the inmates in
those those particular camps during the last three
or four months leading up to their liberation than
the Germans had done throughout the entire war.
That is what your friends and relatives witnessed
as opposed to the hysterical lies and propaganda
that you are spouting. Did you not know that the
allied medical corps (both US and British) carried
out post mortems on thousands of the dead and
reported that the inmates had died from typhus and
other diseases and malnutrition? Not one single
case of death by gas poisoning could be found.
None! Their reports can still be seen today/ Your
American officers were absolutely correct to be
disgusted but, acting on pure impulse,
unfortunately they took their disgust out on the
wrong people.
As for you reference to "gas ovens", they were
actually coke fired crematoria, designed and built
to cremate people who died in the camps. Bodies
could not be buried, particularly at Auschwitz,
because of the risk of Typhus so they were burned.
There were only a small number of crematoria, and
certainly nowhere near enough to burn the
ridiculous numbers touted by the propagandists.
They have done one heck of a job on you Ray. Where
were you when Jack was presenting you with all of
the evidence that blows these lies to pieces? With
respect I really do suggest it is time you take
your gas tinted spectacles off and do some serious
research into this. Until you have done so then I
hardly think you are in a position to make such
judgements as you have here.
Mike.
On 20/09/14 14:33, Rays1 wrote:
Now, I've respect for all and both here, and John
T but, consider me as 'Joe Public' for a second,
ok?
From this 'devils advocate' position, you appear
to be saying that all the concentration camp
evidence of decimated
and starved bodies (many even being bull-dozed
into pits) - which all older folks know of, - "was
all edited and revamped
in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock". The
archaeological, physical, human bodily remains in
purpose-built and intentionally ENGINEERED
gas ovens, and ALL photographic records which
openly support and prove the veracity of my
relatives personal witness, should now be
instantly dismissed as just so much BS ...and just
because you claim,.... "The film footage of allies
entering the concentration camps
was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred
Hitchcock"
Have you any idea how completely "NUTSO" that
might sound to everyone else?
Just listen for a second, Ok?. I have family
relatives that were amongst those that actually
entered those camps as part of
our army and who personally witnessed those
atrocities on the ground - and at that time. They
told me that some American
officers were so utterly disgusted at what they
witnessed that they simply dragged out the nearest
Nazi in charge and summarily
hung them on the spot. (Clearly a war crime too
but, one of the few that might be somewhat
understandable?)
It was clear that some of ours did exactly the
same
My wifes Grandad experienced both world wars -
sadly, died at 95yrs -...Am I, or the public at
large, supposed to
abruptly drop our life beliefs and our loved ones
honest testimony to us as 'delusions' and instead
embrace your text?
So, my relatives lied to me, did they ?!.. their
senses somehow betrayed them and they were simply
unaware that they were
in fact, taking an unwitting part in........film
footage of allies entering the concentration camps
was all edited and revamped in
Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock.."
Oh, I see!...So they were all 'deluded' and did
not realise that all their tramping and fighting
across France for weeks on end
beforehand was actually doing no more than playing
a bit part in a Hollywood plot devised by Alfred
Hitchcock?!!....Really...?
Oh, Give me a break.
Ray
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of john TIMBRELL
Sent: 20 September 2014 08:08
To: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Thanks for your reply Chris. Have you any
knowledge of the cotent of the film which would
contradict my suspicion which is, that the film
showed the true position of the camps.i.e no gas
chambers and that the piles of bodies were the
result of starvation and disease.
I suspect the Jews knew this and stopped it's
circulation.
If I am right I suspect they will try and stop
it's transmission and it will need people like
yourself to force it's transmission.
There was another reel of film which Hitchcock did
not use.
If the Imperial War Museum did an unbiased job of
restoring the film and including the added reel
then it may show some true light on the subject
and awaken the present public to the lies spread
by the Jews and now supported by Cameron. JohnT
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From: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx;
patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:08:34 +0100
Hello John,
The film footage of allies entering the
concentration camps was all edited and revamped in
Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock, including the
wheeling of dead Germans to passed off as Jews -
see attached file - Chris
From: patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of john TIMBRELL
Sent: 18 September 2014 08:45
To: patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [patriots] News re Holocaust
BBC radio 4 0815 + 18th Sept. Hear now on iPlayer.
Review of previously unshown film restored at the
British war museum.
This is material filmed by ordinary people but
specially trained as cameramen who accompanied
soldiers as they entered the concentration camps.
The material was collated by Alfred Hitchcock but
was never shown in a completed form. No reason
given as yet.
The reviewer said there were heaps of bodies and
people in a terrible state.
A decision was made to keep the people within the
camps to feed them because there was no food
outside the camps. Plus the camps were riddled
with typhus and they did not wish the disease to
be spread outside the camps.
I'm unsure of the following. The man commissioning
the film was named Bernstein. Perhaps he was the
person who decided not to show the film. JohnT
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