[patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
- From: Harry Beckhough <harry.beckhough@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:31:47 +0100
Why dont you all give up this worthless nonsense and concentrate on getting
out of EU our primary objective...or have you all given up our primary
objective hardl y ever mentioned now?
On 21 September 2014 12:35, Rays1 <rayspost@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Jack,
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> With the best will in the world, This is becoming fruitless as the norms
> of debate seem to be being a little bypassed
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> You are STILL focussing upon "The Joos" figures alone whilst my original
> point was, why dont we examine the issues
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> involved in locking up masses of population without cause? And that this
> is what is in store for all of us in the end
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> I already agreed with you that those figures are open to dispute and thus
> I acknowledged that it was NOT an "irrelevant detail"
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> but, you respond to me as if I have NOT agreed with that!?
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> When I in actual fact, AGREE with you; you nevertheless respond as if I
> had NOT agreed with you...the question then
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> becomes; why are you persisting in creating causes for us to pointlessly
> 'fight' rather than continue reasoned debate as to what we
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> may logistically achieve from here?
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> We've had this before, Jack and you already know that I dislike such
> adversarial conflict for little apparent reason.
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> As before, I simply want to achieve something,. logistically - to help
> save my country from what I perceive to be it's bleak
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> future in the EU
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> You sent a list of "figures" but, Jack, they are no more reliable than if
> I drew up and sent you a list of figures to the opposite
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> If this is going to go down the route of disrespect and ridicule of me
> simply because I pose a question,
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> then we have reached an 'end-stage', it would seem
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> Just take me off this list then?
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> All the best for you and yours in the future whatever the case
> ....................
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> Ray
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> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jack Lewis
> *Sent:* 20 September 2014 19:01
> *To:* patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
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> That's a hell of an admission! From 6 million down to 271,000 and you just
> glossed over it an irrelevant detail.
> German's enemies were forced in the same we forced Germans, Italians and
> Japs into internment camps.
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> One of things missing from your emails on this issue is 'evidence'. There
> is no point in quoting the 'official' line as this is exactly what our
> evidence contradicts. If you want to continue this discussion you have to
> show where our evidence is wrong .
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> Mike has already given you much to consider but I bet you don't look at it.
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> Jack
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> On 20/09/2014 18:38, Rays1 wrote:
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> Hello Jack,
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> As I say, the numbers may well be in dispute, I agree but, the point
> remains that people being **forced** into camps
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> is still always overlooked don't you think?
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> We may all soon be forced into them as well I think. The underlying and
> over-arching fascist attitude towards masses of
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> the population is what I'm getting at. It's this we are facing again -
> albeit in a much more sophisticated and computerised
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> manner that the Nazis and Stalinists could only dream of achieving
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> What we are dealing with is deeper than distracting arguments over things
> like the numbers involved
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> The NOW is what concerns me more...and how we all deal with it and respond
> to it logistically, hence my suggestion for
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> wide-spread leaflets and such, you know?
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> Ray
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> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jack Lewis
> *Sent:* 20 September 2014 15:43
> *To:* patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
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> Hi Ray,
> Mike mentioned the Red Cross having representatives in EVERY camp - the
> Red Cross produced a document that showed the total death toll over all the
> camps was just over 271,301 people. See document below.
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> Jack
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> [image: http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/auschwitz.jpg]
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> Calm down Ray, no-one is saying anything of the sort. Of course there were
> dead and dying, and of course the scenes encountered by the camp liberators
> were horrifying, but this was only in some of the camps. These particular
> camps just so happened to have typhus and other epidemics raging through
> them and had not been receiving food or medical supplies for months as a
> direct result of the allies bombing the supply lines. This is a matter of
> record, indeed the Red Cross, who had representatives in ALL of the camps,
> said that the allied bombing did more harm to the inmates in those those
> particular camps during the last three or four months leading up to their
> liberation than the Germans had done throughout the entire war. That is
> what your friends and relatives witnessed as opposed to the hysterical lies
> and propaganda that you are spouting. Did you not know that the allied
> medical corps (both US and British) carried out post mortems on thousands
> of the dead and reported that the inmates had died from typhus and other
> diseases and malnutrition? Not one single case of death by gas poisoning
> could be found. None! Their reports can still be seen today/ Your American
> officers were absolutely correct to be disgusted but, acting on pure
> impulse, unfortunately they took their disgust out on the wrong people.
>
> As for you reference to "gas ovens", they were actually coke fired
> crematoria, designed and built to cremate people who died in the camps.
> Bodies could not be buried, particularly at Auschwitz, because of the risk
> of Typhus so they were burned. There were only a small number of
> crematoria, and certainly nowhere near enough to burn the ridiculous
> numbers touted by the propagandists. They have done one heck of a job on
> you Ray. Where were you when Jack was presenting you with all of the
> evidence that blows these lies to pieces? With respect I really do suggest
> it is time you take your gas tinted spectacles off and do some serious
> research into this. Until you have done so then I hardly think you are in a
> position to make such judgements as you have here.
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> Mike.
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> On 20/09/14 14:33, Rays1 wrote:
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> Now, I've respect for all and both here, and John T but, consider me as
> 'Joe Public' for a second, ok?
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> From this 'devils advocate' position, you appear to be saying that all the
> concentration camp evidence of decimated
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> and starved bodies (many even being bull-dozed into pits) - which all
> older folks know of, - "was all edited and revamped
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> in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock". The archaeological, physical, human
> bodily remains in purpose-built and intentionally ENGINEERED
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> gas ovens, and ALL photographic records which openly support and prove the
> veracity of my relatives personal witness, should now be
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> instantly dismissed as just so much BS ...and just because you claim,....
> "The film footage of allies entering the concentration camps
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> was all edited and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock"
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> Have you any idea how completely "NUTSO" that might sound to everyone else?
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> Just listen for a second, Ok?. I have family relatives that were amongst
> those that actually entered those camps as part of
>
> our army and who personally witnessed those atrocities on the ground -
> and at that time. They told me that some American
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> officers were so utterly disgusted at what they witnessed that they simply
> dragged out the nearest Nazi in charge and summarily
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> hung them on the spot. (Clearly a war crime too but, one of the few that
> might be somewhat understandable?)
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> It was clear that some of ours did exactly the same
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> My wifes Grandad experienced both world wars - sadly, died at 95yrs
> -...Am I, or the public at large, supposed to
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> abruptly drop our life beliefs and our loved ones honest testimony to us
> as 'delusions' and instead embrace your text?
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> So, my relatives lied to me, did they ?!.. their senses somehow betrayed
> them and they were simply unaware that they were
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> in fact, taking an unwitting part in........film footage of allies
> entering the concentration camps was all edited and revamped in
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> Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock.."
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> Oh, I see!...So they were all 'deluded' and did not realise that all their
> tramping and fighting across France for weeks on end
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> beforehand was actually doing no more than playing a bit part in a
> Hollywood plot devised by Alfred Hitchcock?!!....Really...?
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> Oh, Give me a break.
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> Ray
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> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *john TIMBRELL
> *Sent:* 20 September 2014 08:08
> *To:* cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Cc:* patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
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> Thanks for your reply Chris. Have you any knowledge of the cotent of the
> film which would contradict my suspicion which is, that the film showed the
> true position of the camps.i.e no gas chambers and that the piles of bodies
> were the result of starvation and disease.
> I suspect the Jews knew this and stopped it's circulation.
> If I am right I suspect they will try and stop it's transmission and it
> will need people like yourself to force it's transmission.
> There was another reel of film which Hitchcock did not use.
> If the Imperial War Museum did an unbiased job of restoring the film and
> including the added reel then it may show some true light on the subject
> and awaken the present public to the lies spread by the Jews and now
> supported by Cameron. JohnT
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> From: cpead@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: johntimbrell@xxxxxxxxxx; patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [patriots] Re: News re Holocaust
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 11:08:34 +0100
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> Hello John,
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> The film footage of allies entering the concentration camps was all edited
> and revamped in Hollywood by Alfred Hitchcock, including the wheeling of
> dead Germans to passed off as Jews – see attached file - Chris
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> *From:* patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> mailto:patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <patriots-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
> Behalf Of *john TIMBRELL
> *Sent:* 18 September 2014 08:45
> *To:* patriots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [patriots] News re Holocaust
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> BBC radio 4 0815 + 18th Sept. Hear now on iPlayer.
> Review of previously unshown film restored at the British war museum.
> This is material filmed by ordinary people but specially trained as
> cameramen who accompanied soldiers as they entered the concentration camps.
> The material was collated by Alfred Hitchcock but was never shown in a
> completed form. No reason given as yet.
> The reviewer said there were heaps of bodies and people in a terrible
> state.
> A decision was made to keep the people within the camps to feed them
> because there was no food outside the camps. Plus the camps were riddled
> with typhus and they did not wish the disease to be spread outside the
> camps.
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> I'm unsure of the following. The man commissioning the film was named
> Bernstein. Perhaps he was the person who decided not to show the film. JohnT
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