I guess this where the discussion devolves into some kind of car analogy or someone invokes Godwin's Rule. ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gabriel Hanauer Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:27 AM To: oracle-l-freelists Subject: Re: salary idea I agree with you. Today I am working with europeans and I used to work with americans and indians. And I have to say to you that we have really good guys here compared to them. On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Guillermo Alan Bort <cicciuxdba@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: As a Service Delivery DBA I take offense to that. It is my experience (with europeans) that their skills are not great, they work extremeley short hours, take vacation time every 2 months and earn about 5-10 times what I earn delivering a very good service (not me alone, of course). So, having local DBAs may feel better, but there is a very high level of skills out there and for a very low cost... specially for 24x7 active coverage. And 10-30k sounds right for offshoring DBA services with a reasonable level of expertise. cheers. Alan.- On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Nuno Souto <dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I can offshore it for less than that. But I thought we were talking about a job that requires certain technical and IT qualifications, not just picking bananas... -- Cheers Nuno Souto in rainy Sydney, Australia dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx fmhabash wrote,on my timestamp of 17/06/2010 1:28 AM: Heck ... I can off-shore this job for 10-30k a year!!! Sounds too funny, but real .In my previous company, the decision was made to stop hiring in north America. These are the numbers I was seeing on the the HR requests. -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- Gabriel Hanauer