That's a debate that I'm sure they could enjoy. I know many of the people closely involved, and in general, I would say that they have considered the options. Whether they have agreed with your definition of what the costs today versus the costs in the future are, is almost certain to be NO. But then again, if we ask 12 people to evaluate this, I'm sure we'd get 13 (at least) different answers. The problem is, that they're talking 'bout their day to day users of basic secretarial WP functions. Many of these people have little or no training beyond the absolute basics. And while there is no doubt that they could always improve staff with training, the bulk of them need little more than basic functions. Their main Office product is Office 2000, and most of these people do not know anything more than basics of tables etc. But for 90% of their work, they use only the basics. For example, I doubt that many of them have ever written/recorded a macro! The corporate mind-set isn't much brighter however. Recently, they posted emailed their staff with lap-tops telling them not to log in, or open unknown emails as their was a major virus around. The trouble was, to read the e-mail, they had to open up outlook and guess what? ........ the MSBlaster worm spread even more. The next week when, they had security guards on the door, handing out slips to all staff. Those with laptops were ordered to go immediately to go to room XXX to be checked. Here each lap-top was examined, and those with Win 95 were released immediately. So sometimes they win, I'm sure other times they lose. I'm not sure that for basic users, the equation is very difficult. Power users no doubt benefit from maintaining at least close to leading edge technology, but the drones can cope quite well with less features, less learning, and yes, longer to do many of the tasks **************************************** Colin McDonald colinmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx **************************************** -----Original Message----- From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Chapman Sent: 02 September 2003 20:55 To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mso] Re: exe files <slapping forehead> Oh Gawd!! This simply means they haven't accurately weighed the costs of staying that far behind. It also indicates the assumption that they simply haven't measured anything is likely to be true. I work for a company which makes similar mistakes. Every time (no exaggeration) they have tempered the inability to consitently train employees by not moving ahead, it has cost them severely in less than 2 years. They don't seem to learn that point very quickly either.<g> Greg Chapman http://www.mousetrax.com "Counting in binary is as easy as 01, 10, 11! With thinking this clear, is coding really a good idea?" > -----Original Message----- > From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Colin > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:37 PM > To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [mso] Re: exe files > > > Dian > > Well said. > > Absolutely true. > > Many large companies simply will not update because of the huge > learning curve in training several thousands users to learn a new > version. > > I know one large (very large) company here which still uses Windows 95 > for a lot of its people. > > Colin > > **************************************** > Colin McDonald > colinmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > **************************************** > > ************************************************************* You are receiving this mail because you subscribed to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or MicrosoftOffice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To send mail to the group, simply address it to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To Unsubscribe from this group, send an email to mso-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the subject line. 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