> > That's a debate that I'm sure they could enjoy. > Such administrative stuctures normally do. They exist almost solely to defend their own presence or deliberately slow the rate of change to a rate the corporation may comfortably absorb and rarely present actual fact based data from which to make decisions like the one we're discussing. > tables etc. But for 90% of their work, they use only the basics. For > example, I doubt that many of them have ever written/recorded a macro! > If the only motivation to upgrade is the feature set, it's understandable why they'd stay behind. But it's foolish based on the fact that support (which is not merely a factor of getting someone at some entity to answer your questions) for the current installed base erodes away...any vulnerabilities or bugs with that version remain and, with time, have less and less support thrown behind fixing a problem. I'm curious, intently, on when and why they placed Office 2000 on these systems. I think the answer might be illustrative. > The corporate mind-set isn't much brighter however. Recently, they > posted emailed their staff with lap-tops telling them not to > log in, or > open unknown emails as their was a major virus around. The > trouble was, > to read the e-mail, they had to open up outlook and guess > what? ........ > the MSBlaster worm spread even more. You mean, SoBig.f, of course. MSBlaster and its variants do not use email (yet) for propagation. But you're quite correct; the basic assumption collides with what they required of their users. I think that's even an old problem. Along the lines of, "How do I notify MIS that the mail server is down?" - "Send us an email and we'll look into it." It's good for a giggle, at least.<g> >The next week when, they had > security guards on the door, handing out slips to all staff. > Those with > laptops were ordered to go immediately to go to room XXX to > be checked. Ahhh!! A quarantine!! Good move! And painful! Who'd have thought we'd be reduced to that old response after all this time? And how did they handle RAS and VPN clients? > I'm not sure that for basic users, the equation is very > difficult. Power > users no doubt benefit from maintaining at least close to leading edge > technology, but the drones can cope quite well with less Oh, yes, I agree! But, like I said, if the main motivation is the feature set then I'll stick by my claim that the thought process is flawed and may even be non-existent. In this environment, feature set is a secondary consideration in the corporate network to restoring system security. Companies are claiming huge financial losses to security issues, especially code exploits. This means the measurement has to be the cost for shutting the business down for recovery vs. the cost of upgrading. In the HR department, they'll be adding to the economic flame, too, when they knuckle down and produce the results describing the cost of replacing all those burned out geeks after the last round the clock for 3 days patching/innoculation session. I'm comfortable, at this time, with this position and would get behind any executive who stated, "At the end of 18 months after the release of any Microsoft product on which our workers depend (that's operating systems, application suites and server environments), we will have in hand our plan for migrating said software to the latest version. We will have in hand an agreement with Microsoft on costs and support burdens and we will have in hand a synchronous list of services/systems to terminate. Corporate finance will have that data to work with as a guideline. Our goal is to reduce KBA costs resulting from emergency repairs of these key computer activities by XX%." Eek! But you've got to pay if you wanna play! Greg Chapman http://www.mousetrax.com "Counting in binary is as easy as 01, 10, 11! With thinking this clear, is coding really a good idea?" > -----Original Message----- > From: mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:mso-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Colin > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:38 PM > To: mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [mso] Re: exe files ************************************************************* You are receiving this mail because you subscribed to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or MicrosoftOffice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To send mail to the group, simply address it to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To Unsubscribe from this group, send an email to mso-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the subject line. Or, visit the group's homepage and use the dropdown menu. 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