This is all very well, Eric (I don't want to argue with the details right now). It really doesn't excuse the total nonsense that's been either quoted or said on this list lately. E.g. Lawrence's >You should read how the Muslims getting away with almost anything LH>they like and the judges and cops are letting them so as not to seem racist. this is simply untrue. Judy Evans, Cardiff ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html