(pardon the blasphemy) but is sucking your own dick to the point of climax a violation of fasting? On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:23:16 +0200, "Chris Bruce" <bruce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said: > > On 5. Okt 2006, at 20:26, Eric Yost wrote: > > > … Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a fast > > invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled. > > Is the phrase 'deliberate masturbation' not pleonastic? My dictionary > defines 'masturbate' as follows: 'to stimulate the genital organs (of > oneself or another) to achieve sexual pleasure'. (It seems to follow > that if one has a particular intent- i.e., 'to achieve sexual pleasure' > - then one's actions are deliberate.) > > Other questions arise: > > If one 'stimulates the genital organs of another to achieve sexual > pleasure (for the other)' is one's own fast rendered invalid, or that > of the other? If one 'stimulates the genital organs of another to > achieve sexual pleasure for oneself (but not for the other)' whose fast > is then rendered invalid? If one has one's sexual organs stimulated by > another in order to achieve sexual pleasure (whether for one or > another) without deliberately requesting or condoning such stimulation, > what then? And what of sexual pleasure achieved without stimulation of > the sexual organs (of either oneself or another)? Or are all erogenous > zones or fetishes by definition 'extensions' of the sexual organs? > (E.g., must one with a rubber fetish wash dishes during Ramadan > bare-handed? And what if one has a rubber *and* a > soap-suds-on-naked-flesh fetish?) > > Wait a minute - I get it! Although all this questioning may be perhaps > intitally stimulating (in which case, there goes one's 'fast validity' > - fast!), the mire of semantic and clinical details ultimately turns > one off. Clever fellows, those ayatollahs …. > > Chris Bruce > Kiel, Germany > > DISCLAIMER: One feels obliged to assure the Lit-Ideas readership that > the pronouns 'one' and 'another' are here used 'impersonally' and any > correspondence between the contents of the above posting and the > activities or proclivities of actual persons, living or dead, is purely > coincidental (i.e., *not* deliberate). > > (One hopes that this disclaimer should leave the validitiy of a few > fasts intact. On the other, er, hand, should one - or another - find > that not to be the case, one - or another - can be reached in the usual > fashion ….) > > CB > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html -- Steve Chilson stevechilson@xxxxxxxxxxx -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html