[lit-ideas] Re: Ask the Ayatollah
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- Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:29:27 EDT
I dunno -- are bears and dogs responsible under religious ruling?
Julie Krueger
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Date: 10/6/2006 5:11:33 P.M. Central Standard Time From:
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(pardon the blasphemy) but is sucking your own dick to the point of
climax a violation of fasting?
On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:23:16 +0200, "Chris Bruce" <bruce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:
>
> On 5. Okt 2006, at 20:26, Eric Yost wrote:
>
> > … Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a
fast
> > invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled.
>
> Is the phrase 'deliberate masturbation' not pleonastic? My dictionary
> defines 'masturbate' as follows: 'to stimulate the genital organs (of
> oneself or another) to achieve sexual pleasure'. (It seems to follow
> that if one has a particular intent- i.e., 'to achieve sexual pleasure'
> - then one's actions are deliberate.)
>
> Other questions arise:
>
> If one 'stimulates the genital organs of another to achieve sexual
> pleasure (for the other)' is one's own fast rendered invalid, or that
> of the other? If one 'stimulates the genital organs of another to
> achieve sexual pleasure for oneself (but not for the other)' whose fast
> is then rendered invalid? If one has one's sexual organs stimulated by
> another in order to achieve sexual pleasure (whether for one or
> another) without deliberately requesting or condoning such stimulation,
> what then? And what of sexual pleasure achieved without stimulation of
> the sexual organs (of either oneself or another)? Or are all erogenous
> zones or fetishes by definition 'extensions' of the sexual organs?
> (E.g., must one with a rubber fetish wash dishes during Ramadan
> bare-handed? And what if one has a rubber *and* a
> soap-suds-on-naked-flesh fetish?)
>
> Wait a minute - I get it! Although all this questioning may be perhaps
> intitally stimulating (in which case, there goes one's 'fast validity'
> - fast!), the mire of semantic and clinical details ultimately turns
> one off. Clever fellows, those ayatollahs ….
>
> Chris Bruce
> Kiel, Germany
>
> DISCLAIMER: One feels obliged to assure the Lit-Ideas readership that
> the pronouns 'one' and 'another' are here used 'impersonally' and any
> correspondence between the contents of the above posting and the
> activities or proclivities of actual persons, living or dead, is purely
> coincidental (i.e., *not* deliberate).
>
> (One hopes that this disclaimer should leave the validitiy of a few
> fasts intact. On the other, er, hand, should one - or another - find
> that not to be the case, one - or another - can be reached in the usual
> fashion ….)
>
> CB
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