[lit-ideas] Re: Ask the Ayatollah
- From: "Steve Chilson" <stevechilson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 04:28:03 +0100
Exponsly
On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 23:16:49 EDT, JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx said:
> Prezactly
>
> Julie Krueger
>
> ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: Ask the
> Ayatollah
> Date: 10/6/2006 8:57:12 P.M. Central Standard Time From:
> _stevechilson@xxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:stevechilson@xxxxxxxxxxx) To:
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> I think one should only be responsible if one is aware of the sin.
> Granted, by that measure the bears and the dogs are allowed to do
> whatever they want but on the other hand, in some eyes, ignorance is
> blasphemy to be converted and thus, bears and dogs, like humans, should
> probably be beheaded.
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:29:27 EDT, JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx said:
> > I dunno -- are bears and dogs responsible under religious ruling?
> >
> > Julie Krueger
> >
> > ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: Ask the
> > Ayatollah
> > Date: 10/6/2006 5:11:33 P.M. Central Standard Time From:
> > _stevechilson@xxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:stevechilson@xxxxxxxxxxx) To:
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> > (pardon the blasphemy) but is sucking your own dick to the point of
> > climax a violation of fasting?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:23:16 +0200, "Chris Bruce" <bruce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > said:
> > >
> > > On 5. Okt 2006, at 20:26, Eric Yost wrote:
> > >
> > > > … Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a
>
> > fast
> > > > invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled.
> > >
> > > Is the phrase 'deliberate masturbation' not pleonastic? My dictionary
> > > defines 'masturbate' as follows: 'to stimulate the genital organs (of
> > > oneself or another) to achieve sexual pleasure'. (It seems to follow
> > > that if one has a particular intent- i.e., 'to achieve sexual pleasure'
> > > - then one's actions are deliberate.)
> > >
> > > Other questions arise:
> > >
> > > If one 'stimulates the genital organs of another to achieve sexual
> > > pleasure (for the other)' is one's own fast rendered invalid, or that
> > > of the other? If one 'stimulates the genital organs of another to
> > > achieve sexual pleasure for oneself (but not for the other)' whose fast
> > > is then rendered invalid? If one has one's sexual organs stimulated by
>
> > > another in order to achieve sexual pleasure (whether for one or
> > > another) without deliberately requesting or condoning such stimulation,
> > > what then? And what of sexual pleasure achieved without stimulation of
> > > the sexual organs (of either oneself or another)? Or are all erogenous
> > > zones or fetishes by definition 'extensions' of the sexual organs?
> > > (E.g., must one with a rubber fetish wash dishes during Ramadan
> > > bare-handed? And what if one has a rubber *and* a
> > > soap-suds-on-naked-flesh fetish?)
> > >
> > > Wait a minute - I get it! Although all this questioning may be
> perhaps
> > > intitally stimulating (in which case, there goes one's 'fast validity'
> > > - fast!), the mire of semantic and clinical details ultimately turns
> > > one off. Clever fellows, those ayatollahs ….
> > >
> > > Chris Bruce
> > > Kiel, Germany
> > >
> > > DISCLAIMER: One feels obliged to assure the Lit-Ideas readership that
> > > the pronouns 'one' and 'another' are here used 'impersonally' and any
> > > correspondence between the contents of the above posting and the
> > > activities or proclivities of actual persons, living or dead, is purely
> > > coincidental (i.e., *not* deliberate).
> > >
> > > (One hopes that this disclaimer should leave the validitiy of a few
> > > fasts intact. On the other, er, hand, should one - or another - find
> > > that not to be the case, one - or another - can be reached in the usual
> > > fashion ….)
> > >
> > > CB
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