In a message dated 4/19/2004 9:53:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mccreery@xxxxxxx writes: My point is a general one, having to do with the character of historical (or sociological or anthropological) explanation: Fear and violent defense occur in specific social, cultural, historic circumstances that any decent theory must provide an account for. That human beings are capable of infantile rage or calculated cruelty is too general a potential to account for why specific acts of barbarity occur in specific times and places. _________________ Agreed. Is it possible to discuss what characteristics of "specific social, cultural, historic circumstances" may lead to fear and violent defense? For example, prolonged, everyday exposure to Others with neither group making an attempt to assimilate across groups, perhaps where one group is felt to be responsible in some way for the setbacks of the other group? Is it necessary to account for all acts of barbarity in order to establish a trend? I don't think so. Perhaps it is enough to describe conditions that induce violent trends. My attempts to understand violence and cruelty have lead me to these texts: Erich Fromm's _The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness_ Colin Wilson's _The Criminal History of Mankind_ Arthur Koestler's _The Ghost in the Machine_ Norman O. Brown's _Life Against Death: the Psychoanalytic Meaning of History_ Karl Menninger's _Man Against Himself_. None of these have really satisfied, although all have provided some hints about cruelty and destructiveness, but no more than one could get from reading history or biography. Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html