In a message dated 4/19/2004 1:43:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mccreery@xxxxxxx writes: Not really disagreeing. Just pointing out that this is Sociology 101 and requires a bit more sophistication for real, messy world applications. _______ One poses broad speculations in the hope that others will pick them to pieces and add sophistication where it is lacking. The Amish, for example, are more complex than normally assumed, since part of their rite of passage involves a "wandering period" in which the young Amish are encouraged to go out and explore the world of "the English," before deciding to join Amish culture. That's quite different from a culture that has no "wandering period," but restricts activity everywhere and always as part of membership in a group. To add Omar's observation, would a relatively "new" culture be likely to adopt a rite of passage like a "wandering year" or would it vehemently impose strict adherence from birth to grave? And segmentary opposition is a useful concept in explaining how the US has changed from a month after 9/11 to today, where the Iraq action is seen more and more as Bush's private vendetta and less and less as a response to a surprise attack far greater than Pearl Harbor. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html