[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Problems with making liblouis
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 15:46:36 -0500
Greg,
I agree that we should be able to just install liblouis and
liblouisutdmml as a single package on a properly configured Mac.
Meanwhile, does your system contain a file with a name like
libxxml2.pc ? If so, what is the path to it? This will help in
determining the correct setting for PKKG_CONFIG_PATH .
Thanks,
John
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:23:42PM -0700, Greg Kearney wrote:
> I got my livxml-2.0 from here http://www.explain.com.au/oss/libxml2xslt.html
>
> > pkg-config came from MacPorts
>
> I really think we need to get to a point where we don’t need pkg-config to
> get this thing to compile on a Mac, we should be able to break a new mac out
> of the boo install Xcode and the CLI tools for Xcode and have it work.
>
>
> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
> Greg Kearney, General Manager
> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
> CANADA
> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>
> U.S. Address
> 21908 Almaden Av.
> Cupertino, CA 95014
> UNITED STATES
> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On May 13, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Bert Frees <bertfrees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >
> > I think there might be more going on. On older Macs libxml2 was
> > installed in the normal place /usr/lib/ and the libxml-2.0.pc file in
> > /usr/lib/pkgconfig. I don't know the situation on newer Macs. From
> > Greg's previous email I assume that libxml2 is now a framework and maybe
> > his version of pkg-config doesn't look into the right places. Greg were
> > did you get your versions of libxml2 and pkg-config?
> >
> >
> > John J. Boyer writes:
> >
> >> Greg,
> >>
> >> The only thing lacking is to set the PKG_config_path environment
> >> variable. I'm not sure what its value should be on your version of Mac
> >> OSX, so I won't cause you more frustration by giving a possible setting.
> >> There should be a script that sets it. This would be run before the
> >> configure command.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 09:02:27AM -0700, Greg Kearney wrote:
> >>> OK here is the problem and it always shows up in building liblouisutdml,
> >>> libelous itself build find on a stock Mac.
> >>>
> >>> First I configure, make, make install liblouis everything is fine and the
> >>> various tools work as expected, even the python binding work.
> >>>
> >>> Next I go to build liblouisutdml. I run configure and it dies with the
> >>> following:
> >>>
> >>> checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
> >>> checking for BASE_DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package requirements
> >>> (liblouis, libxml-2.0) were not met:
> >>>
> >>> No package 'libxml-2.0' found
> >>>
> >>> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
> >>> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
> >>>
> >>> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables
> >>> BASE_DEPENDENCIES_CFLAGS
> >>> and BASE_DEPENDENCIES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
> >>> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
> >>>
> >>> As you can see I have pkg-config installed, I should have the liblouis
> >>> installed as well as I just built and installed it and it tested OK.
> >>> Further I have the libxml-2.0 installed in /Library/Frameworks and they
> >>> test OK as well. So my question is what do I do to get liblouisutdml to
> >>> install and build.
> >>>
> >>> By the way I have an installer that will install and test the libxml-2.0
> >>> frameworks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
> >>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
> >>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
> >>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
> >>> CANADA
> >>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>> U.S. Address
> >>> 21908 Almaden Av.
> >>> Cupertino, CA 95014
> >>> UNITED STATES
> >>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On May 13, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Bert Frees <bertfrees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Okay so how do we proceed? TBH I still think it shouldn't be that hard
> >>>> for a Perl or Python programmer to get it working. If it is then there's
> >>>> something missing in the documentation. How about we try to get it
> >>>> working for you, then update the documentation, and then see if maybe we
> >>>> need to update your Mac interface? I have relatively recent precompiled
> >>>> versions of liblouis and liblouisutdml that I use in DAISY Pipeline,
> >>>> maybe you can use those for now? As I mentioned before on the mailing
> >>>> list our ultimate goal is to automatically generate nightly builds of
> >>>> the latest versions and make them available for download.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bert
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Greg Kearney writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I could of course make my installer install the programs and files in
> >>>>> any location. I was simply following the paths used by make install.
> >>>>> There could even be a choice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There could be any number of reasons why we should want to install the
> >>>>> program but not want to go through the process of compiling it. Despite
> >>>>> what you say on a Mac it is not a simple matter of configure, make,
> >>>>> make install particually I am an experienced user, but not a formal
> >>>>> programmer and I run into issues all the time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For example a user might be writing a web interface that needs to call
> >>>>> the various binaries to do translations, a programmer working in Perl
> >>>>> or Python but not familiar with compiling programs might need the
> >>>>> binaries. Perhaps someone would just prefer to use the command line. As
> >>>>> John can tell you I designed a formal MacOS interface for libelous, I
> >>>>> would like to update this by using the more modern tools but I keep
> >>>>> running into the build issues that prevent me from doing so. This is
> >>>>> particularly the case with liblouisutdml which despite having all the
> >>>>> auto-config paths set up still will not build on a standard Mac as
> >>>>> shipped by Apple with the developer tools.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While a table development tools would be nice I agree I can not wait
> >>>>> about while one gets built.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
> >>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
> >>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
> >>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
> >>>>> CANADA
> >>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>> U.S. Address
> >>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
> >>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
> >>>>> UNITED STATES
> >>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On May 13, 2014, at 6:07 AM, Bert Frees <bertfrees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Greg,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First of all, we really appreciate your efforts for making liblouis
> >>>>>> more
> >>>>>> easily obtainable for non-developers, and I'm sorry you have to keep
> >>>>>> repeating yourself to get your point across.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let me start off by reminding that liblouis and liblouisutdml were
> >>>>>> developed as libraries intended to be used in other software with a
> >>>>>> proper user interface, so called frontends, such as BrailleBlaster,
> >>>>>> DAISY Pipeline, NVDA, etc. (correct me if I'm wrong, John). But indeed,
> >>>>>> I agree that there are certain use cases for which the existing
> >>>>>> frontends are not suitable. One of those use cases is table
> >>>>>> developers. However I have different ideas about how to solve that
> >>>>>> problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First, I'm not convinced that table developers wouldn't be able to
> >>>>>> build
> >>>>>> liblouis from source. If they can use the liblouis tools to test the
> >>>>>> tables, they are expected to at least have a notion of what the command
> >>>>>> line is, so it can't be that hard to teach them configure && make &&
> >>>>>> make install, right? (assuming of course that they are on Linux or
> >>>>>> Mac.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As David said, it is mostly a matter of documenting things better. If
> >>>>>> you have the right tools, building liblouis from source really isn't
> >>>>>> hard at all. (In your particular case, the error message already gives
> >>>>>> you a big hint. So let's sit together, maybe meet us on the IRC
> >>>>>> channel,
> >>>>>> so that we can guide you through the process.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Second, I've never been really fond of your idea about making an
> >>>>>> installer that simply puts the binaries into /usr/local/. It just
> >>>>>> doesn't seem right. There is a reason why package managers for Mac OS
> >>>>>> such as fink and homebrew install the binaries in places that they have
> >>>>>> total control of. I would be much happier with for example an
> >>>>>> application bundle that would include all the necessary binaries,
> >>>>>> somewhere under /Applications/Louis.app/Contents/MacOS.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Or would there perhaps be interest in a new frontend dedicated for
> >>>>>> table
> >>>>>> developers? I would include the library and could provide a simple
> >>>>>> interface for testing a table with the need to use the command line.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Bert
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Greg Kearney writes:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I keep hearing about others building it I just can not seem to make
> >>>>>>> it work. I have some experiments I wish to do outside of the braille
> >>>>>>> blaster environment all I really want is an installer. All this
> >>>>>>> trouble. There has got to be a better way really.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
> >>>>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
> >>>>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
> >>>>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
> >>>>>>> CANADA
> >>>>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> U.S. Address
> >>>>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
> >>>>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
> >>>>>>> UNITED STATES
> >>>>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 10:57 AM, John J. Boyer
> >>>>>>> <johnjboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The problem with liblouisutdml is an old one. It's due to
> >>>>>>>> PKG_CONFIG_PATH not being set or the pkg-config utility not being
> >>>>>>>> present. Others have built liblouisutdml on Mac OSX successfully.
> >>>>>>>> More
> >>>>>>>> documentation would certainly help.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm wondering, though, why you need to build liblouis, since you
> >>>>>>>> have BrailleBlaster.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> John
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 09:31:47AM -0700, Greg Kearney wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Well what I really want is to avoid this whole configure/make/make
> >>>>>>>>> install process and to just have an installer that puts the various
> >>>>>>>>> programs and support files into the right places. I could even
> >>>>>>>>> build such an installer for use if I could just get a set of files
> >>>>>>>>> to install. As a rule after some fiddling about I get libelous
> >>>>>>>>> built and installed but always run into trouble with liblouisutdml
> >>>>>>>>> for example:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I build libelous and run the make install. All should be set to go
> >>>>>>>>> on and build liblouisutdml right? Wrong I get the following which I
> >>>>>>>>> have no idea at all how to fix.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> checking for BASE_DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package
> >>>>>>>>> requirements (liblouis, libxml-2.0) were not met:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No package 'liblouis' found
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
> >>>>>>>>> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables
> >>>>>>>>> BASE_DEPENDENCIES_CFLAGS
> >>>>>>>>> and BASE_DEPENDENCIES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
> >>>>>>>>> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
> >>>>>>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
> >>>>>>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
> >>>>>>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
> >>>>>>>>> CANADA
> >>>>>>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> U.S. Address
> >>>>>>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
> >>>>>>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
> >>>>>>>>> UNITED STATES
> >>>>>>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 9:20 AM, David Sweetman
> >>>>>>>>> <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> For these issues, an Xcode project really wouldn’t solve any
> >>>>>>>>>> problems, it could only possibly complicate things. The current
> >>>>>>>>>> checkout builds fine for me on OS X (a091dc), so perhaps what is
> >>>>>>>>>> really needed is improved documentation on how to build. I think
> >>>>>>>>>> documentation was on Bert’s roadmap so that may be coming soon.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Greg Kearney <gkearney@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I have cloned the the github version of libelous and did the
> >>>>>>>>>>> configure. Upon running make it get the following:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> gkearney:Liblouis gkearney$ make
> >>>>>>>>>>> Making all in gnulib
> >>>>>>>>>>> /bin/sh: /Volumes/Untitled: No such file or directory
> >>>>>>>>>>> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what is going on here? We really really
> >>>>>>>>>>> really need a better way to do this for people who just need the
> >>>>>>>>>>> binaries for table development. A simple installer, an Xcode
> >>>>>>>>>>> project that builds every time something other than what is going
> >>>>>>>>>>> on now. I don’t believe I have ever downloaded a new version
> >>>>>>>>>>> without running into problems.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
> >>>>>>>>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
> >>>>>>>>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
> >>>>>>>>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
> >>>>>>>>>>> CANADA
> >>>>>>>>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> U.S. Address
> >>>>>>>>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
> >>>>>>>>>>> UNITED STATES
> >>>>>>>>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
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