[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Problems with making liblouis
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 12:15:07 -0500
Greg,
The only thing lacking is to set the PKG_config_path environment
variable. I'm not sure what its value should be on your version of Mac
OSX, so I won't cause you more frustration by giving a possible setting.
There should be a script that sets it. This would be run before the
configure command.
John
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 09:02:27AM -0700, Greg Kearney wrote:
> OK here is the problem and it always shows up in building liblouisutdml,
> libelous itself build find on a stock Mac.
>
> First I configure, make, make install liblouis everything is fine and the
> various tools work as expected, even the python binding work.
>
> Next I go to build liblouisutdml. I run configure and it dies with the
> following:
>
> checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
> checking for BASE_DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package requirements
> (liblouis, libxml-2.0) were not met:
>
> No package 'libxml-2.0' found
>
> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
>
> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables BASE_DEPENDENCIES_CFLAGS
> and BASE_DEPENDENCIES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
>
> As you can see I have pkg-config installed, I should have the liblouis
> installed as well as I just built and installed it and it tested OK. Further
> I have the libxml-2.0 installed in /Library/Frameworks and they test OK as
> well. So my question is what do I do to get liblouisutdml to install and
> build.
>
> By the way I have an installer that will install and test the libxml-2.0
> frameworks.
>
>
>
>
>
> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
> Greg Kearney, General Manager
> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
> CANADA
> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>
> U.S. Address
> 21908 Almaden Av.
> Cupertino, CA 95014
> UNITED STATES
> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On May 13, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Bert Frees <bertfrees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >
> > Okay so how do we proceed? TBH I still think it shouldn't be that hard
> > for a Perl or Python programmer to get it working. If it is then there's
> > something missing in the documentation. How about we try to get it
> > working for you, then update the documentation, and then see if maybe we
> > need to update your Mac interface? I have relatively recent precompiled
> > versions of liblouis and liblouisutdml that I use in DAISY Pipeline,
> > maybe you can use those for now? As I mentioned before on the mailing
> > list our ultimate goal is to automatically generate nightly builds of
> > the latest versions and make them available for download.
> >
> > Bert
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg Kearney writes:
> >
> >> I could of course make my installer install the programs and files in any
> >> location. I was simply following the paths used by make install. There
> >> could even be a choice.
> >>
> >> There could be any number of reasons why we should want to install the
> >> program but not want to go through the process of compiling it. Despite
> >> what you say on a Mac it is not a simple matter of configure, make, make
> >> install particually I am an experienced user, but not a formal programmer
> >> and I run into issues all the time.
> >>
> >> For example a user might be writing a web interface that needs to call the
> >> various binaries to do translations, a programmer working in Perl or
> >> Python but not familiar with compiling programs might need the binaries.
> >> Perhaps someone would just prefer to use the command line. As John can
> >> tell you I designed a formal MacOS interface for libelous, I would like to
> >> update this by using the more modern tools but I keep running into the
> >> build issues that prevent me from doing so. This is particularly the case
> >> with liblouisutdml which despite having all the auto-config paths set up
> >> still will not build on a standard Mac as shipped by Apple with the
> >> developer tools.
> >>
> >> While a table development tools would be nice I agree I can not wait about
> >> while one gets built.
> >>
> >>
> >> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
> >> Greg Kearney, General Manager
> >> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
> >> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
> >> CANADA
> >> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> U.S. Address
> >> 21908 Almaden Av.
> >> Cupertino, CA 95014
> >> UNITED STATES
> >> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 13, 2014, at 6:07 AM, Bert Frees <bertfrees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Greg,
> >>>
> >>> First of all, we really appreciate your efforts for making liblouis more
> >>> easily obtainable for non-developers, and I'm sorry you have to keep
> >>> repeating yourself to get your point across.
> >>>
> >>> Let me start off by reminding that liblouis and liblouisutdml were
> >>> developed as libraries intended to be used in other software with a
> >>> proper user interface, so called frontends, such as BrailleBlaster,
> >>> DAISY Pipeline, NVDA, etc. (correct me if I'm wrong, John). But indeed,
> >>> I agree that there are certain use cases for which the existing
> >>> frontends are not suitable. One of those use cases is table
> >>> developers. However I have different ideas about how to solve that
> >>> problem.
> >>>
> >>> First, I'm not convinced that table developers wouldn't be able to build
> >>> liblouis from source. If they can use the liblouis tools to test the
> >>> tables, they are expected to at least have a notion of what the command
> >>> line is, so it can't be that hard to teach them configure && make &&
> >>> make install, right? (assuming of course that they are on Linux or Mac.)
> >>>
> >>> As David said, it is mostly a matter of documenting things better. If
> >>> you have the right tools, building liblouis from source really isn't
> >>> hard at all. (In your particular case, the error message already gives
> >>> you a big hint. So let's sit together, maybe meet us on the IRC channel,
> >>> so that we can guide you through the process.)
> >>>
> >>> Second, I've never been really fond of your idea about making an
> >>> installer that simply puts the binaries into /usr/local/. It just
> >>> doesn't seem right. There is a reason why package managers for Mac OS
> >>> such as fink and homebrew install the binaries in places that they have
> >>> total control of. I would be much happier with for example an
> >>> application bundle that would include all the necessary binaries,
> >>> somewhere under /Applications/Louis.app/Contents/MacOS.
> >>>
> >>> Or would there perhaps be interest in a new frontend dedicated for table
> >>> developers? I would include the library and could provide a simple
> >>> interface for testing a table with the need to use the command line.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Bert
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Greg Kearney writes:
> >>>
> >>>> I keep hearing about others building it I just can not seem to make it
> >>>> work. I have some experiments I wish to do outside of the braille
> >>>> blaster environment all I really want is an installer. All this trouble.
> >>>> There has got to be a better way really.
> >>>>
> >>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
> >>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
> >>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
> >>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
> >>>> CANADA
> >>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>> U.S. Address
> >>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
> >>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
> >>>> UNITED STATES
> >>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 12, 2014, at 10:57 AM, John J. Boyer <johnjboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The problem with liblouisutdml is an old one. It's due to
> >>>>> PKG_CONFIG_PATH not being set or the pkg-config utility not being
> >>>>> present. Others have built liblouisutdml on Mac OSX successfully. More
> >>>>> documentation would certainly help.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm wondering, though, why you need to build liblouis, since you have
> >>>>> BrailleBlaster.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 09:31:47AM -0700, Greg Kearney wrote:
> >>>>>> Well what I really want is to avoid this whole configure/make/make
> >>>>>> install process and to just have an installer that puts the various
> >>>>>> programs and support files into the right places. I could even build
> >>>>>> such an installer for use if I could just get a set of files to
> >>>>>> install. As a rule after some fiddling about I get libelous built and
> >>>>>> installed but always run into trouble with liblouisutdml for example:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I build libelous and run the make install. All should be set to go on
> >>>>>> and build liblouisutdml right? Wrong I get the following which I have
> >>>>>> no idea at all how to fix.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> checking for BASE_DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package
> >>>>>> requirements (liblouis, libxml-2.0) were not met:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No package 'liblouis' found
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
> >>>>>> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables
> >>>>>> BASE_DEPENDENCIES_CFLAGS
> >>>>>> and BASE_DEPENDENCIES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
> >>>>>> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
> >>>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
> >>>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
> >>>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
> >>>>>> CANADA
> >>>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> U.S. Address
> >>>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
> >>>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
> >>>>>> UNITED STATES
> >>>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 9:20 AM, David Sweetman <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For these issues, an Xcode project really wouldn’t solve any
> >>>>>>> problems, it could only possibly complicate things. The current
> >>>>>>> checkout builds fine for me on OS X (a091dc), so perhaps what is
> >>>>>>> really needed is improved documentation on how to build. I think
> >>>>>>> documentation was on Bert’s roadmap so that may be coming soon.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Greg Kearney <gkearney@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have cloned the the github version of libelous and did the
> >>>>>>>> configure. Upon running make it get the following:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> gkearney:Liblouis gkearney$ make
> >>>>>>>> Making all in gnulib
> >>>>>>>> /bin/sh: /Volumes/Untitled: No such file or directory
> >>>>>>>> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what is going on here? We really really really
> >>>>>>>> need a better way to do this for people who just need the binaries
> >>>>>>>> for table development. A simple installer, an Xcode project that
> >>>>>>>> builds every time something other than what is going on now. I don’t
> >>>>>>>> believe I have ever downloaded a new version without running into
> >>>>>>>> problems.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
> >>>>>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
> >>>>>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
> >>>>>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
> >>>>>>>> CANADA
> >>>>>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> U.S. Address
> >>>>>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
> >>>>>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
> >>>>>>>> UNITED STATES
> >>>>>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For a description of the software, to download it and links to
> >>>>>>>> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
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> >>>>
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> >>>
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> >>
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> >
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>
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