[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Problems with making liblouis
- From: Bert Frees <bertfrees@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 19:35:37 +0200
I think there might be more going on. On older Macs libxml2 was
installed in the normal place /usr/lib/ and the libxml-2.0.pc file in
/usr/lib/pkgconfig. I don't know the situation on newer Macs. From
Greg's previous email I assume that libxml2 is now a framework and maybe
his version of pkg-config doesn't look into the right places. Greg were
did you get your versions of libxml2 and pkg-config?
John J. Boyer writes:
> Greg,
>
> The only thing lacking is to set the PKG_config_path environment
> variable. I'm not sure what its value should be on your version of Mac
> OSX, so I won't cause you more frustration by giving a possible setting.
> There should be a script that sets it. This would be run before the
> configure command.
>
> John
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 09:02:27AM -0700, Greg Kearney wrote:
>> OK here is the problem and it always shows up in building liblouisutdml,
>> libelous itself build find on a stock Mac.
>>
>> First I configure, make, make install liblouis everything is fine and the
>> various tools work as expected, even the python binding work.
>>
>> Next I go to build liblouisutdml. I run configure and it dies with the
>> following:
>>
>> checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
>> checking for BASE_DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package requirements
>> (liblouis, libxml-2.0) were not met:
>>
>> No package 'libxml-2.0' found
>>
>> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
>> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
>>
>> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables BASE_DEPENDENCIES_CFLAGS
>> and BASE_DEPENDENCIES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
>> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
>>
>> As you can see I have pkg-config installed, I should have the liblouis
>> installed as well as I just built and installed it and it tested OK. Further
>> I have the libxml-2.0 installed in /Library/Frameworks and they test OK as
>> well. So my question is what do I do to get liblouisutdml to install and
>> build.
>>
>> By the way I have an installer that will install and test the libxml-2.0
>> frameworks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
>> CANADA
>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>> U.S. Address
>> 21908 Almaden Av.
>> Cupertino, CA 95014
>> UNITED STATES
>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 13, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Bert Frees <bertfrees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Okay so how do we proceed? TBH I still think it shouldn't be that hard
>> > for a Perl or Python programmer to get it working. If it is then there's
>> > something missing in the documentation. How about we try to get it
>> > working for you, then update the documentation, and then see if maybe we
>> > need to update your Mac interface? I have relatively recent precompiled
>> > versions of liblouis and liblouisutdml that I use in DAISY Pipeline,
>> > maybe you can use those for now? As I mentioned before on the mailing
>> > list our ultimate goal is to automatically generate nightly builds of
>> > the latest versions and make them available for download.
>> >
>> > Bert
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Greg Kearney writes:
>> >
>> >> I could of course make my installer install the programs and files in any
>> >> location. I was simply following the paths used by make install. There
>> >> could even be a choice.
>> >>
>> >> There could be any number of reasons why we should want to install the
>> >> program but not want to go through the process of compiling it. Despite
>> >> what you say on a Mac it is not a simple matter of configure, make, make
>> >> install particually I am an experienced user, but not a formal programmer
>> >> and I run into issues all the time.
>> >>
>> >> For example a user might be writing a web interface that needs to call
>> >> the various binaries to do translations, a programmer working in Perl or
>> >> Python but not familiar with compiling programs might need the binaries.
>> >> Perhaps someone would just prefer to use the command line. As John can
>> >> tell you I designed a formal MacOS interface for libelous, I would like
>> >> to update this by using the more modern tools but I keep running into the
>> >> build issues that prevent me from doing so. This is particularly the case
>> >> with liblouisutdml which despite having all the auto-config paths set up
>> >> still will not build on a standard Mac as shipped by Apple with the
>> >> developer tools.
>> >>
>> >> While a table development tools would be nice I agree I can not wait
>> >> about while one gets built.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
>> >> Greg Kearney, General Manager
>> >> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
>> >> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
>> >> CANADA
>> >> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>
>> >> U.S. Address
>> >> 21908 Almaden Av.
>> >> Cupertino, CA 95014
>> >> UNITED STATES
>> >> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On May 13, 2014, at 6:07 AM, Bert Frees <bertfrees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Greg,
>> >>>
>> >>> First of all, we really appreciate your efforts for making liblouis more
>> >>> easily obtainable for non-developers, and I'm sorry you have to keep
>> >>> repeating yourself to get your point across.
>> >>>
>> >>> Let me start off by reminding that liblouis and liblouisutdml were
>> >>> developed as libraries intended to be used in other software with a
>> >>> proper user interface, so called frontends, such as BrailleBlaster,
>> >>> DAISY Pipeline, NVDA, etc. (correct me if I'm wrong, John). But indeed,
>> >>> I agree that there are certain use cases for which the existing
>> >>> frontends are not suitable. One of those use cases is table
>> >>> developers. However I have different ideas about how to solve that
>> >>> problem.
>> >>>
>> >>> First, I'm not convinced that table developers wouldn't be able to build
>> >>> liblouis from source. If they can use the liblouis tools to test the
>> >>> tables, they are expected to at least have a notion of what the command
>> >>> line is, so it can't be that hard to teach them configure && make &&
>> >>> make install, right? (assuming of course that they are on Linux or Mac.)
>> >>>
>> >>> As David said, it is mostly a matter of documenting things better. If
>> >>> you have the right tools, building liblouis from source really isn't
>> >>> hard at all. (In your particular case, the error message already gives
>> >>> you a big hint. So let's sit together, maybe meet us on the IRC channel,
>> >>> so that we can guide you through the process.)
>> >>>
>> >>> Second, I've never been really fond of your idea about making an
>> >>> installer that simply puts the binaries into /usr/local/. It just
>> >>> doesn't seem right. There is a reason why package managers for Mac OS
>> >>> such as fink and homebrew install the binaries in places that they have
>> >>> total control of. I would be much happier with for example an
>> >>> application bundle that would include all the necessary binaries,
>> >>> somewhere under /Applications/Louis.app/Contents/MacOS.
>> >>>
>> >>> Or would there perhaps be interest in a new frontend dedicated for table
>> >>> developers? I would include the library and could provide a simple
>> >>> interface for testing a table with the need to use the command line.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Bert
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Greg Kearney writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I keep hearing about others building it I just can not seem to make it
>> >>>> work. I have some experiments I wish to do outside of the braille
>> >>>> blaster environment all I really want is an installer. All this
>> >>>> trouble. There has got to be a better way really.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
>> >>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
>> >>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
>> >>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
>> >>>> CANADA
>> >>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>
>> >>>> U.S. Address
>> >>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
>> >>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
>> >>>> UNITED STATES
>> >>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On May 12, 2014, at 10:57 AM, John J. Boyer <johnjboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> The problem with liblouisutdml is an old one. It's due to
>> >>>>> PKG_CONFIG_PATH not being set or the pkg-config utility not being
>> >>>>> present. Others have built liblouisutdml on Mac OSX successfully. More
>> >>>>> documentation would certainly help.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm wondering, though, why you need to build liblouis, since you have
>> >>>>> BrailleBlaster.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> John
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 09:31:47AM -0700, Greg Kearney wrote:
>> >>>>>> Well what I really want is to avoid this whole configure/make/make
>> >>>>>> install process and to just have an installer that puts the various
>> >>>>>> programs and support files into the right places. I could even build
>> >>>>>> such an installer for use if I could just get a set of files to
>> >>>>>> install. As a rule after some fiddling about I get libelous built and
>> >>>>>> installed but always run into trouble with liblouisutdml for example:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I build libelous and run the make install. All should be set to go on
>> >>>>>> and build liblouisutdml right? Wrong I get the following which I have
>> >>>>>> no idea at all how to fix.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> checking for BASE_DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package
>> >>>>>> requirements (liblouis, libxml-2.0) were not met:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> No package 'liblouis' found
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
>> >>>>>> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables
>> >>>>>> BASE_DEPENDENCIES_CFLAGS
>> >>>>>> and BASE_DEPENDENCIES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
>> >>>>>> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
>> >>>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
>> >>>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
>> >>>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
>> >>>>>> CANADA
>> >>>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> U.S. Address
>> >>>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
>> >>>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
>> >>>>>> UNITED STATES
>> >>>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 9:20 AM, David Sweetman <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> For these issues, an Xcode project really wouldn’t solve any
>> >>>>>>> problems, it could only possibly complicate things. The current
>> >>>>>>> checkout builds fine for me on OS X (a091dc), so perhaps what is
>> >>>>>>> really needed is improved documentation on how to build. I think
>> >>>>>>> documentation was on Bert’s roadmap so that may be coming soon.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> David
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Greg Kearney <gkearney@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I have cloned the the github version of libelous and did the
>> >>>>>>>> configure. Upon running make it get the following:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> gkearney:Liblouis gkearney$ make
>> >>>>>>>> Making all in gnulib
>> >>>>>>>> /bin/sh: /Volumes/Untitled: No such file or directory
>> >>>>>>>> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what is going on here? We really really really
>> >>>>>>>> need a better way to do this for people who just need the binaries
>> >>>>>>>> for table development. A simple installer, an Xcode project that
>> >>>>>>>> builds every time something other than what is going on now. I
>> >>>>>>>> don’t believe I have ever downloaded a new version without running
>> >>>>>>>> into problems.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
>> >>>>>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
>> >>>>>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
>> >>>>>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
>> >>>>>>>> CANADA
>> >>>>>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> U.S. Address
>> >>>>>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
>> >>>>>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
>> >>>>>>>> UNITED STATES
>> >>>>>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
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>>
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>> project pages go to http://www.abilitiessoft.com
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