[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Problems with making liblouis
- From: Greg Kearney <gkearney@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 10:22:26 -0700
Here is what it is set to:
gkearney:liblouisutdml-2.5.0 gkearney$ echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH
/usr/local/bin:
Where should one find the script that set it?
Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
Greg Kearney, General Manager
605 Robson Street, Suite 850
Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
CANADA
Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
U.S. Address
21908 Almaden Av.
Cupertino, CA 95014
UNITED STATES
Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
On May 13, 2014, at 10:15 AM, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Greg,
>
> The only thing lacking is to set the PKG_config_path environment
> variable. I'm not sure what its value should be on your version of Mac
> OSX, so I won't cause you more frustration by giving a possible setting.
> There should be a script that sets it. This would be run before the
> configure command.
>
> John
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 09:02:27AM -0700, Greg Kearney wrote:
>> OK here is the problem and it always shows up in building liblouisutdml,
>> libelous itself build find on a stock Mac.
>>
>> First I configure, make, make install liblouis everything is fine and the
>> various tools work as expected, even the python binding work.
>>
>> Next I go to build liblouisutdml. I run configure and it dies with the
>> following:
>>
>> checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
>> checking for BASE_DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package requirements
>> (liblouis, libxml-2.0) were not met:
>>
>> No package 'libxml-2.0' found
>>
>> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
>> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
>>
>> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables BASE_DEPENDENCIES_CFLAGS
>> and BASE_DEPENDENCIES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
>> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
>>
>> As you can see I have pkg-config installed, I should have the liblouis
>> installed as well as I just built and installed it and it tested OK. Further
>> I have the libxml-2.0 installed in /Library/Frameworks and they test OK as
>> well. So my question is what do I do to get liblouisutdml to install and
>> build.
>>
>> By the way I have an installer that will install and test the libxml-2.0
>> frameworks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
>> CANADA
>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>> U.S. Address
>> 21908 Almaden Av.
>> Cupertino, CA 95014
>> UNITED STATES
>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 13, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Bert Frees <bertfrees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Okay so how do we proceed? TBH I still think it shouldn't be that hard
>>> for a Perl or Python programmer to get it working. If it is then there's
>>> something missing in the documentation. How about we try to get it
>>> working for you, then update the documentation, and then see if maybe we
>>> need to update your Mac interface? I have relatively recent precompiled
>>> versions of liblouis and liblouisutdml that I use in DAISY Pipeline,
>>> maybe you can use those for now? As I mentioned before on the mailing
>>> list our ultimate goal is to automatically generate nightly builds of
>>> the latest versions and make them available for download.
>>>
>>> Bert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg Kearney writes:
>>>
>>>> I could of course make my installer install the programs and files in any
>>>> location. I was simply following the paths used by make install. There
>>>> could even be a choice.
>>>>
>>>> There could be any number of reasons why we should want to install the
>>>> program but not want to go through the process of compiling it. Despite
>>>> what you say on a Mac it is not a simple matter of configure, make, make
>>>> install particually I am an experienced user, but not a formal programmer
>>>> and I run into issues all the time.
>>>>
>>>> For example a user might be writing a web interface that needs to call the
>>>> various binaries to do translations, a programmer working in Perl or
>>>> Python but not familiar with compiling programs might need the binaries.
>>>> Perhaps someone would just prefer to use the command line. As John can
>>>> tell you I designed a formal MacOS interface for libelous, I would like to
>>>> update this by using the more modern tools but I keep running into the
>>>> build issues that prevent me from doing so. This is particularly the case
>>>> with liblouisutdml which despite having all the auto-config paths set up
>>>> still will not build on a standard Mac as shipped by Apple with the
>>>> developer tools.
>>>>
>>>> While a table development tools would be nice I agree I can not wait about
>>>> while one gets built.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
>>>> CANADA
>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> U.S. Address
>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
>>>> UNITED STATES
>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2014, at 6:07 AM, Bert Frees <bertfrees@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Greg,
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, we really appreciate your efforts for making liblouis more
>>>>> easily obtainable for non-developers, and I'm sorry you have to keep
>>>>> repeating yourself to get your point across.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me start off by reminding that liblouis and liblouisutdml were
>>>>> developed as libraries intended to be used in other software with a
>>>>> proper user interface, so called frontends, such as BrailleBlaster,
>>>>> DAISY Pipeline, NVDA, etc. (correct me if I'm wrong, John). But indeed,
>>>>> I agree that there are certain use cases for which the existing
>>>>> frontends are not suitable. One of those use cases is table
>>>>> developers. However I have different ideas about how to solve that
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, I'm not convinced that table developers wouldn't be able to build
>>>>> liblouis from source. If they can use the liblouis tools to test the
>>>>> tables, they are expected to at least have a notion of what the command
>>>>> line is, so it can't be that hard to teach them configure && make &&
>>>>> make install, right? (assuming of course that they are on Linux or Mac.)
>>>>>
>>>>> As David said, it is mostly a matter of documenting things better. If
>>>>> you have the right tools, building liblouis from source really isn't
>>>>> hard at all. (In your particular case, the error message already gives
>>>>> you a big hint. So let's sit together, maybe meet us on the IRC channel,
>>>>> so that we can guide you through the process.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, I've never been really fond of your idea about making an
>>>>> installer that simply puts the binaries into /usr/local/. It just
>>>>> doesn't seem right. There is a reason why package managers for Mac OS
>>>>> such as fink and homebrew install the binaries in places that they have
>>>>> total control of. I would be much happier with for example an
>>>>> application bundle that would include all the necessary binaries,
>>>>> somewhere under /Applications/Louis.app/Contents/MacOS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or would there perhaps be interest in a new frontend dedicated for table
>>>>> developers? I would include the library and could provide a simple
>>>>> interface for testing a table with the need to use the command line.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Bert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg Kearney writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep hearing about others building it I just can not seem to make it
>>>>>> work. I have some experiments I wish to do outside of the braille
>>>>>> blaster environment all I really want is an installer. All this trouble.
>>>>>> There has got to be a better way really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
>>>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
>>>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
>>>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
>>>>>> CANADA
>>>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> U.S. Address
>>>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
>>>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
>>>>>> UNITED STATES
>>>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 10:57 AM, John J. Boyer <johnjboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem with liblouisutdml is an old one. It's due to
>>>>>>> PKG_CONFIG_PATH not being set or the pkg-config utility not being
>>>>>>> present. Others have built liblouisutdml on Mac OSX successfully. More
>>>>>>> documentation would certainly help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm wondering, though, why you need to build liblouis, since you have
>>>>>>> BrailleBlaster.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 09:31:47AM -0700, Greg Kearney wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well what I really want is to avoid this whole configure/make/make
>>>>>>>> install process and to just have an installer that puts the various
>>>>>>>> programs and support files into the right places. I could even build
>>>>>>>> such an installer for use if I could just get a set of files to
>>>>>>>> install. As a rule after some fiddling about I get libelous built and
>>>>>>>> installed but always run into trouble with liblouisutdml for example:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I build libelous and run the make install. All should be set to go on
>>>>>>>> and build liblouisutdml right? Wrong I get the following which I have
>>>>>>>> no idea at all how to fix.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> checking for BASE_DEPENDENCIES... configure: error: Package
>>>>>>>> requirements (liblouis, libxml-2.0) were not met:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No package 'liblouis' found
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
>>>>>>>> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables
>>>>>>>> BASE_DEPENDENCIES_CFLAGS
>>>>>>>> and BASE_DEPENDENCIES_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
>>>>>>>> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
>>>>>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
>>>>>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
>>>>>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
>>>>>>>> CANADA
>>>>>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> U.S. Address
>>>>>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
>>>>>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
>>>>>>>> UNITED STATES
>>>>>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 9:20 AM, David Sweetman <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For these issues, an Xcode project really wouldn’t solve any
>>>>>>>>> problems, it could only possibly complicate things. The current
>>>>>>>>> checkout builds fine for me on OS X (a091dc), so perhaps what is
>>>>>>>>> really needed is improved documentation on how to build. I think
>>>>>>>>> documentation was on Bert’s roadmap so that may be coming soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Greg Kearney <gkearney@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have cloned the the github version of libelous and did the
>>>>>>>>>> configure. Upon running make it get the following:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> gkearney:Liblouis gkearney$ make
>>>>>>>>>> Making all in gnulib
>>>>>>>>>> /bin/sh: /Volumes/Untitled: No such file or directory
>>>>>>>>>> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me what is going on here? We really really really
>>>>>>>>>> need a better way to do this for people who just need the binaries
>>>>>>>>>> for table development. A simple installer, an Xcode project that
>>>>>>>>>> builds every time something other than what is going on now. I don’t
>>>>>>>>>> believe I have ever downloaded a new version without running into
>>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Commonwealth Braille & Talking Book Cooperative
>>>>>>>>>> Greg Kearney, General Manager
>>>>>>>>>> 605 Robson Street, Suite 850
>>>>>>>>>> Vancouver BC V6B 5J3
>>>>>>>>>> CANADA
>>>>>>>>>> Email: info@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> U.S. Address
>>>>>>>>>> 21908 Almaden Av.
>>>>>>>>>> Cupertino, CA 95014
>>>>>>>>>> UNITED STATES
>>>>>>>>>> Email: gkearney@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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