I'm coming in kind of late to this discussion, but sometimes that is useful when the discussion gets this long. In general I support the original automated approach to managing the Deskbar menu. I also think reasonable categories are fine. Though given that so far John, Simon and Jessica would prefer not to have categories, I think adding an option for that is also reasonable. I know we don't like excessive options (cue Matt) but given that 3 out of about 11 people (27%) who have participated in this thread would prefer not to have categories, I think it should be an option. So that makes the choice a simple 3-option radio button: How should the Deskbar menu be organized? (*) Automatically, with applications in categories ( ) Automatically, with applications in a flat list ( ) Not at all, let me organize it To ease the switching between the first two options, each package could create two symlinks, one in an "All" category/folder, and then in whatever category/folder the application is in (which could also be under a "Categorized" folder.) Then the Deskbar's "view" could quickly change between the two options by just looking at whichever top-level folder the user wanted (All or Categorized.) In fact the package manager could always create the symlinks this way and the above option really is what the Deskbar "looks at" to create the menu. For the last option the Deskbar ignores the package manager symlinks and just looks at the user's folder. But the package manager symlinks should still be there (with an easy way to find that folder in the Deskbar options) so that the user could copy that list as a starting point for their custom menu. I think that can make everyone happy with minimal fuss. -- Regards, Ryan