----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <mboyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Statement of Faith > Ok, I do not regard the bible as the true and inerrant word of God, > indeed I don't actually believe in God. Therefore I have avoided all > religous discusions on here. > Dear Mike, With respect you are not able to avoid all religious discussion here! The mere fact that you state that you do not believe in God means that you believe in something else. You may remember the last time you were on the forum I spoke about getting back to basics. You believe, if I am correct, that the cosmos came about unaided and from nothing. This is an irrational position for a materialist to take. However you are happy to put your faith into that paradigm. Since it is a faith ergo it must be religious. This means that any scientific data based on this stance must be also suspect and needs to be re-evaluated and stripped of its assumptions or acknowledged that they are just assumptions. The problem is that the assumptions are soon forgotten and replaced as fact. Much of modern science and some historical, is founded on a very shaky foundation. However you are protected by the fact that you believe you will never know the truth and therefore it doesn't matter whether your science is right or wrong. I believe that the cosmos could not possibly have come into being unaided and from nothing. This is a rational position . Something must have made something - this is truly a materialist position. I believe that it was created by a Creator out of nothing. I believe that the Bible informs us about this Creator. This means that scientific data must stand up to this paradigm. Jack