I "smake the claim"! What is this, American Yiddish? All you have to do to convince me on the "old" law being "done away with" is to quote me a Hebrew scripture where Our Father states this. But you cannot. Just like you have been unable to answer the simple and straightforward questions that I put in my last posting to you. You state that you "accept Paul." I agree, and maintain that that is your problem. As for your claim that I "have yet to establish any scripture for its continuation except by ignoring Jesus and Paul," ... (Mat 5:18 KJV) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. "Till all be fulfilled." "Till heaven and earth pass [away]." This scripture alone establishes my claim and is only contradicted by Saul of Tarsus and his followers. Now that I have answered your points, kindly answer the questions that I posed you. Neville. Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: The Circular logic is yours, You smake the claim that Paul contradicted Jesus. ? I did not use Paul?s words to validate his words,.... I used them to show that when you make the statement that they contradict Jesus..that one, they do not in any way and that they are perfectly consitaint with Jesus teachings and secondly I show that your teachings are in gross error and contradiction to the teachings of Jesus and the promise?.. You have yet to establish that he is contradictory.. except by your circular believe that the Law of Moses is still in place????. I showed you with Jesus words and L&P that both the new covenant is in place the old was done away with .. not with my words or interpretations but the law and prophets and Jesus own words...... which you like the Jews then, READ but do not BELIVE.????.. I have directly from scripture answered your question regarding putting an end to the old law??. but you will not listen even though you have yet to establish any scripture f or its continuation except by ignoring Jesus and Paul and the rest of scripture for which you have yet to establish any validity outside YOUR Circular logic??In any case, I accept Paul. The burden of proof is on you, not me or Paul. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail