[geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus
- From: "Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:55:33 -0500
JA,
Thank you for your follow up and what I believe is intended by you as an
honest answer.
When you say you could be wrong, "just like everyone else", you really
don't know everyone else could be wrong, since you admit you could be
wrong anything. So, this is just your opinion, correct? And just the
opposite could be true. Wouldn't it make sense to diligently explore
whether God has given this infallibility to someone, such as the
Catholic Pope. You have to admit this could impact your salvation. Have
you ever studied the first hand Catholic claim to this from the actual
Catholic teachings on it. You'll find it is Biblically based. And
you'll find the official teachings of the Popes never have contradicted
themselves. It's your soul, I'm just giving you fair warning.
Regards,
Nick.
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From: j a [mailto:ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:25 PM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus
Hey Nick,
Yes, I could be wrong about anything I think, just like everyone else. I
pray for wisdom and the ability to see the truth daily. I expect this
will be a lifelong process and at the end will still be wrong about many
things. In the meantime, I will use the knowledge I have at the moment.
Right now, in my opinion, I don't think that it is part of God's current
plan to give that particular gift to any specific person and hasn't
since the writting of the new testament books. Since the word was
finished, there is no more to say. But I could be wrong.
JA
"Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi ja,
Since your answer was "Anything is possible for God except for
violating his own word." and since giving someone the ability to be
infallible on religious matters does not violate His Word, I'll take it
that you are logically concluding "yes" to my question, i.e. that it is
possible God has given a human today the ability to always be right when
speaking on matters of religious faith. Did I follow your logic?
But since the Pope is a human, he could logically be one of
the persons, except you say it is inconceivable that God is giving this
gift to the Popes, because you believe the Popes have erred.
So, the next question is whether it is possible you have erred
and the Popes are right. Can you answer this simple question. The
question is whether this is "possible", not whether it is so or not. Or
are you claiming you are infallible?
(You have brought up the Catholic question, as has Neville by
his outburst the other day by challenging 2000 year old consistent
Catholic teachings. I'm just following it thru, until Neville acuses me
of somehow initiating this and cuts me off as he did in the past when I
followed up his comments).
Nick.
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From: j a [mailto:ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 4:23 PM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus
I like logic questions so I'll take a stab at it. Anything is
possible for God except for violating his own word. I take it your
pursuit of this question is to convince others that the Pope could be
infallible in his pronouncements. While it is concievable that God might
help someone along on occassion in what they might say to someone, it is
inconcievable that God is giving this gift to the Popes because they
have erred so much in the past and rule over a church so steeped in
bogus doctrine.
Now don't go off asking me to defend the catholic bogus doctrine
claim, I state it because that is what most any non-catholic christian
thinks of catholicism. So why would anyone holding that opinion, be
convinced that the popes are infallible simply because it could be
possible?
If it were true that the popes were infallible then most
non-catholic christians would probably be catholics because the catholic
church would be a vastly different place. It would adhere to the
teaching as found only in the bible, because God would never violate his
own word. Therfore, the popes are not infallible.
Has any pope ever uttered a God inspired word? Everytime they
quote scripture, just like any other person.
Anyway, thats my logic on that question. Please don't let this
start the catholic/non-catholic arguements again. This was only to
address the logic involved in the question.
"Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Neville,
Is this a question you don't know the answer to or a
question you just won't answer because you know where the logic then
leads. Please be honest.
Can almighty God do this today? I asked if it is
"possible". Can the God who created the universe also do this?
Regards,
Nick.
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From: Dr. Neville Jones [mailto:ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:59 AM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus
This is not a question that I can answer.
Regards,
Neville.
"Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sure.
Is it possible God has given a human living
today the ability to always be right when speaking on matters of
religious faith.
Regards,
Nick.
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