Allen put in four postings yesterday, one of which does require a response: It has taken a little time to identify the source of your confusion and misunderstanding, but I hope to now be able to point it out to you. First of all, we will briefly go through the Scriptures you provided to support your position. (A) Genisis 22:17. "in blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18. "In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.' Seed = descendants (so far, you have not proved otherwise). 'Genesis 26:4. "And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; Seed = descendants (so far, you have not proved otherwise). Genesis 28:14. "Also your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; you shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed. Seed = descendants (so far, you have not proved otherwise). Psalms 72: 17. His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed No tie proven here at all, since both are true, they are not mutually exclusive. Psalms 32: 1. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Jeremiah 31:33. But this shall be the covenant that I will make 34??..I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more Yes, His people, the Israelites, the seed of Abraham, through Isaac, through Yaacob. Psalms 33:12. Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance Yes, His people, the Israelites, the seed of Abraham, through Isaac, through Yaacob. ??......Now Jesus. ?. Mat 21:43 The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof Once again you twist and contort Holy Scripture to promote your Sauline doctrine that the ?Jews have had their day.? Who is the ?you? here? Let?s see, from just after you cut this Scripture off: The chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables and understood that he was speaking in regard to them. (Mt. 21:45) The Pharisees! And what is Saul of Tarsus? Let?s see ? he IS a Pharisee. Not ?was,? ?is.? John 10:9. I am the door: ? John14:6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. ??. Agreed, because he paid the price for the sin of YeHVaH?s chosen people ? the seed of Abraham ? the physical Israelites. The price that they could never pay, even if they turned the entire Temple Mount awash with sacrificial blood. Mat 26:28. For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Agreed, see above.. Mat 3:9. And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And? He certainly does not deny that Abraham is their father. This is not a Claim the Scripture uses "SEED" not seeds THROUGH WHICH THE NATIONS WERE TO BE BLEESED This was the Purpose of Jesus!?.and it is through that SEED that Abrams descendents would Multiply as the Stars. ? This is the essence of your entire argument. Your error will be shown you below. Yes the sacrifice has been made, which means that the daily sacrifice or atonement was done away with at the instant of Yeshuwa?s death (Daniel 12:11). Back up to Ch 6 to see what is happening previous to this for a Time index and for the CONTEXT Next bit removed, because it is irrelevant. ? Mathew 24: 21. "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.15. "Therefore when you see the `abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place'' (whoever reads, let him understand), ????34. "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things are fulfilled??.. It did not pass away, because all those things were fulfilled, INCLUDING THE SETTING UP AND IDENTIFICATION OF ?THE END,? THE ANTI-MESSIAH, SAUL OF TARSUS. You don?t know anything about the Prophesies concerning the purpose, mission or timing of the Christ or what he was to do? This would take more than just a few SoundBits, especially since I have shared a lot with you even before this posting and you can?t grasp or accept Jesus when he makes plain statements about "This Generation" , "NOW IS" and "New Covenant". As such, you are asserting that Paul was teaching false doctrine,.. You don?t even know the doctrine of Jesus or the L&P was! You misuse and misquote Scriptures, and take them out of context to fit in with your ?understanding,? if that is what it can be called. I have asked you many times to supply DIRECT Scriptural quotes to justify what you have claimed, but you never do. You put in large, multi-coloured postings, which look impressive on the outside, but are nothing more than empty arguments and baseless conclusions, to maintain a position that is in harmony with your hero, Saul, and most definitely not in harmony with YeHVaH and His only begotton son, Yeshuwa? HaMeshiyach. The reason that you do not understand that YeHVaH?s chosen people are and always will be the Israelites, the seed of Abraham from Sarah, is because you are steeped in Sauline lies, distortion and pagan teachings. Yeshuwa? is not the seed of Abraham. He is the seed of YeHVaH Elohiym, hallowed be His name. Your whole position is therefore built on sand. The seed of Abraham are the Israelites, the physical descendants of Yaacob. I publicly bless the Israelites and I publicly bless the Jews. They ARE Our Father?s people and no obnoxious liar, like Saul, is ever going to change that, no matter how many Catholic churches he founds. Neville. --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos