[geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts?
- From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:54:30 -0700 (PDT)
Me ( Bernie ) in red.
Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Dear Bernie,
Many scientists are believers in God. A personal friend of mine is an excellent
physicist and openly proclaims himself to be a Catholic, yet he firmly believes
the heliocentric model and sees no reason why this should diminish God. Other
Catholics do not see this the same way. For instance, Robert Sungenis and
Robert Bennett have strived to correct what they see as a gross error on the
part of the Catholic Church.
I am a scientist and a believer in God, yet I have discarded huge chunks of the
Bible. Many dislike my approach. Marshall Hall, for example (and in whose style
your post seems to be written)
If I keep reading geocentricuniverse.com and fixedearth.com
over and over again then naturally I would adopt those styles over time.
, requested that I take a link to his site off my site. Jack Lewis requested
that I remove his name from the credits of drawings he has done for me.
"Christians" write to Steven and I gloating that Marshall asked for the link to
be removed (how did they know this?).
Not from me. But you probably could tell by the associations that people have
who
sent them to you.
They make comments and use language which, quite honestly, I have not
experienced from atheists! This I find sad, but I will not be shaken. I have
resigned from many, many churches and my former "brothers" and "sisters" have
then shunned me as though I were Jack the Ripper. No problem. God is still
there.
You mention "true/correct religion", but do you know what this is?
Yes. Not dropping an atomic bomb ( a "science" bomb, a "scientist" made bomb
) on a heavily populated city in Japan is a true/correct religious decision.
Is it just your current church? Is it Marshall's church? Is it Jack's church?
Is it Islam? Is it Buddhism? Is it Greek Orthodox? Is it ... Well, whatever it
is, it is not science.
It's probably what I feel is a good and sensible interpretation
of the ( least corrupted ) KJV Bible
Just one example, I believe that after one dies there is a Judgment Day where
one is judged by their thoughts, words and deeds and the intentions and
motivations
behind their thoughts, words and deeds while here on Earth. Then
appropriate rewards and punishments ( 30, 60 or 100 times magnitude; read
"lots" )
are handed out.
Now if someone has the opposite belief, that good behavior is punished
and bad behavior is rewarded, how do I prove them "incorrect"?
However, this is primarily a science forum and, although I do allow some
theological debate, we should not lose sight of this fact (freelists actually
provide the facility for the purpose initially specified).
In science, we cannot just dismiss enormous distances because they don't seem
right. I'll openly admit that they don't seem right to me either, but that will
bring us nothing but the bashing of our heads against the establishment brick
wall. It is not all a conspiracy, there is genuine science and reasoning behind
it. Not all these men were atheists by any stretch of the imagination. If we
are going to demonstrate a flaw, then we must demonstrate the flaw to all, not
just to ourselves.
For the celestial poles argument against the heliocentric paradigm, the
distances to the stars does not matter. Only when heliocentrism is demonstrated
to be wrong should we turn our attention to stellar distances, amongst other
things.
Neville
www.GeocentricUniverse.com
Sincerely,
Bernie
-----Original Message-----
From: bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:51:25 -0700 (PDT)
"We have to allow the heliocentrists their massive distances..."
We should not unnecessarily concede a single point to heliocentrists
because it could backfire later on.
I think they have the edge of the universe at 16 BILLION light years away
now which is probably far enough to have people wondering how
those stars could get around nightly. And if people don't have a problem with
that
then the next calculation we will see is 160 TRILLION light years.
We don't "HAVE TO" allow any exaggerations or falsehoods, and shouldn't.
And since at the core this is a religious battle, pushing God out 16 BILLION
light years, the further the better, effectively gets rid of him in people's
minds.
Not many people know or understand this: You cannot have true/correct
knowledge
without true/correct morality and you cannot have true/correct morality
without true/correct religion. But they will not teach people
that in universities ( UNI = one way of thinking ).
Respectfully,
Bernie
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