Bernie, I scrolled through the listings on the link...on down to Regner's commentaries. Everything he says is based on one foundational belief, viz., the ASSUMPTION that the Earth is rotating on an axis. He cannot prove that ASSUMPTION. He can build a layer of other assumptions on it all the way to the Big Bang Paradigm and call it proof--which is what modern cosmology has done--but that proves nothing. Does Regner not know that the Geocentrism model--which just happens to be the Biblical Model--answers all known phenomena without resorting to the observation-denying assumptions that are indispensable to the heliocentricity-dependent Big Bang Model, which just happens to be the Kabbalic Model?? Ultimately--as far as a search for truth is concerned--this pivotal helio/geo issue drives the proponents into a spiritual corner where they can only say: I support the Biblical Geocentism model of the Christian Religion, or, I support the Kabbalist heliocentricity model of the Pharisee religion. There is no secular science involved in either model. I understand that this demonstrable fact has barely seeped into the mainstream of the knowledge tsunami on the Net, but fact it is nonetheless. Regner and the whole heliocentricity-based theoretical science establishment will--however traumatic it may be--have to face that spiritual imperative and overtly align with one holy book and one religion or the other holy book and the other religion before this is over. Those two books and those two religions cover both models. Just as there are two choices and two alone relevant to whether the Earth moves or not, there are two choices of holy books and religions ( Koran: same Moses creation account with no evolution ). And let it be underscored again: There is no secular science involved in either model. That claim to be "secular science" is the great deceptive label under which the theoretical science establishment--wittingly or unwittingly has masqueraded, especially from Copernicus to the present. Thus has this now demonstrable deception steadily and surreptitiously guided the implantation of the 15 billion year Pharisee evolutionary "alternative creation scenario" in the minds of modern mankind. This fact has brought the Bible--and its Author--to the brink of mockery, echoing Nietzsche: "God is dead. We have killed him with our science." We shall soon see about that echo. Marshall Hall www.fixedearth.com email: fefinc@xxxxxxxx Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Regner T Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate that you do not have unlimited time at your disposal and it is not my wish to burden you. I also note that you have managed to respond to all posts on this subject (unless I missed one) suggesting a streak of thoroughness to your character! However I did post to you on 2007 Oct 13 (prior to your suggested framework for discussion) in a "Welcome to the forum" message in which I drew your attention to a submission of mine to this forum which can be found here -> //www.freelists.org/archives/geocentrism/09-2007/msg00298.html. It contains three propositions in excess of the five you requested but it does bear on the matter at hand. I mention this against the possibility that it may have escaped your attention. A side note -- I see from a post from Jack L that you appear to have an association with Stromolo in Canberra. I was posted there in the early 1970s and visited the observatory. That of course was before the disastrous fires of a few years ago. Have you been there since? I'd like to think it has been reinstated. Paul D --------------------------------- Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. Get it now. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com