[bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:51:38 -0800 (PST)
uh, oh--then we'd better not try to line up the page numbers in a nice column,
because that would take more than just 3 dots
Cindy
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--- On Wed, 11/4/09, Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 2:26 PM
> Hi Judy and Valerie,
>
> Inserting an elipsis between items in a
> table of contents and their
> respective page numbers will work. Any more dots than
> that would be a
> potential nightmare for those reading with speech.
> Because in the dot
> leader format the screen readers might well read "dot
> dot dot dot dot" etc
> depending upon the amount of punctuation each user has
> spoken. So, if an
> elipsis would work for sighted readers better than just a
> space, I'm happy
> to begin inserting an elipsis instead.
>
> Thanks, Valerie, for telling us how we can make things at
> least a little
> more usable for some folks.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Judy s.
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:42 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
>
> I agree with Valerie. It is a torture to figure out
> tables of contents
> visually with just the single space. I'm perfectly
> happy with an ellipsis
> instead of the space, as an idea. I can't see any way
> that trying to
> figuour out how many periods to put in to make the right
> margin on each
> line, as is done with a printed book, will make sense or be
> anything but a
> nightmare to do if you're blind. Having an ellipsis
> in makes it perfectly
> readable for me visually.
>
> Golly, I hope I'm making sense. I had some major dental
> surgery today and we
> had to use enough anesthesia to bring an elephant
> down. So I'm a bit loopy!
> grin.
>
> Judy s.
>
> Valerie Maples wrote:
> > Ideally you should have enough periods so the right
> margin is even for
> > visual scanning of page numbers as a list, but
> an ellipsis would be
> > better than a single space. that is outright
> torture to find anything.
> >
> > Valerie
> >
> >
> > On 11 04, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Debby,
> >>
> >> I'd like more commentary from our sighted print
> disabled readers to
> >> know whether this will be helpful before I change
> my practises. I'm
> >> happy to change, as you are, but not willing to
> make a permanent
> >> change until or unless it is commented upon by
> more than one person.
> >>
> >> Vallerie, Doug, Judy, anyone else who is print
> disabled, but sighted
> >> want to comment on this?
> >>
> >> Mayrie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Debby
> >> Franson
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:58 AM
> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Table Of Contents
> >>
> >> Hi Mayrie!
> >>
> >> Should I insert elipses in the table of contents
> in "Rebel With a Cause"?
> >> It wouldn't be a bother.
> >>
> >> Debby
> >>
> >> At 07:50 AM 11/3/2009, Mayrie ReNae wrote
> >>> Hi Melissa,
> >>>
> >>> That's a great idea! Let's see if it
> would work for folks like
> >>> Valerie's Nichole, since Valerie was the one
> requesting a change.
> >>> If it would work, I don't see how it would go
> against anything
> >>> bookshare has
> >> ever said.
> >>>
> >>> Mayrie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Melissa
> >>> Smith
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:07 AM
> >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Table Of Contents
> >>>
> >>> I've been thinking about Valerye's concerns
> about the table of contents.
> >>> I got to thinking about how Braille books have
> a series of dots
> >>> between the chapter title and page number. So,
> I was wondering if
> >>> inserting an ellipses between the chapter
> title and page number
> >>> would be an appropriate
> >> solution.
> >>> An ellipses will be recognized and kept by
> bookshare's tools, and
> >>> will give some separation between chapter
> title and page number for
> >>> those that need that. It wouldn't be spoken by
> most screen readers,
> >>> so wouldn't interfere with anybody's listening
> pleasure.
> >>> Finally, since Braille readers are used to the
> series of dots
> >>> between chapter title and page number, it
> wouldn't seem unusual to them
> either.
> >>> So, do you think this would be acceptable and
> not violate any
> >>> bookshare rules?
> >>>
> >>> Melissa
> >>>
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