[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I was browsing Bookshare I saw that...
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 18:51:13 -0700 (PDT)
o.k. I, too don't know what a user tag; please explain
Cindy
P.S. I proofed, I think, a long time ago, one of the dragons of Pern novels,
but when I clicked on my name I only found one I submitted and the synopsis
doesn't sound like the story I vaguely remember. Anyway, I thought the story I
read and series were fantasy, but then I haven't always been able to tell the
difference, though in the receent past, when I wondered about some books,
people explained to me how to tell.
Cindy
--- On Fri, 5/13/11, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I was browsing Bookshare I saw
> that...
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 5:09 PM
> I am not familiar with Dragonsdawn,
> but if that is the premise then I would
> expect that that would be another one that would be
> frequently
> miscategorized as fantasy. With the user tag system,
> though, that could be
> quickly corrected.
>
>
> _ _ _
>
> "One of the things that is wrong with religion is that it
> teaches us to be
> satisfied with answers which are not really answers at
> all." - Richard
> Dawkins
>
> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rogerbailey81
>
>
> The Militant:
> http://www.themilitant.com
> Pathfinder Press:
> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> Granma International:
> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:58 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I was browsing
> Bookshare I saw
> that...
>
>
> > Hi, Roger, I'd say that people who tag books should be
> familiar with
> > their content so the information is accurate. Great
> catch with the
> > McCaffrey books. I don't know if you ever read
> Dragonsdawn, but dragons
> > were genetically modified fire lizards (at least I
> think that's the
> > premise). Regards, Kim Friedman.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Roger Loran
> > Bailey
> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:48 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I was
> browsing Bookshare I saw
> > that...
> >
> >
> > There is always the danger of vandalism, but it
> appears that at
> > Wikipedia it
> > is removed very quickly. Wikipedia, though, has a very
> large participant
> >
> > community. I have a watch list there and when I check
> it I am always
> > hoping
> > to get a chance to delete vandalism, but I notice that
> when it does
> > happen
> > someone removes it usually within five minutes or so.
> At least twice,
> > though, I was quick enough to remove it myself.
> Wikipedia is not the
> > model
> > that I am thinking of for Bookshare though. As I said,
> I am thinking of
> > Open
> > Library as the model. I have never seen a tag there
> that appeared to be
> > deliberate vandalism and even at Wikipedia the
> deliberate vandalism is
> > only
> > a very small minority of the edits. I do disagree with
> some of the Open
> > Library tags now and then though. Recently I was
> looking at The Dolphins
> > of
> > Pern by Anne McCaffrey. One of the subject tags
> identified it as a
> > fantasy.
> > Well, a lot of people think the Pern novels are
> fantasy because most of
> > them
> > have the word dragon in the title and dragons are a
> fantasy trophe. If
> > you
> > actually read the books, though, it will be apparent
> that they are not
> > fantasy. I improved the Open Library listing by
> removing the fantasy tag
> > and
> > replacing it with a science fiction tag. This
> illustrates the fact that
> > the
> > tagging process is a continuously dynamic thing. Tags
> that are there one
> > day
> > may be gone the next day and nothing is set in stone.
> I suppose some
> > people
> > might consider this to be a disadvantage, but it does
> not strike me as
> > much
> > of one since mistakes can always be made and the real
> disadvantage would
> > be
> > to be stuck with those mistakes. I do think that this
> would be a very
> > strong
> > remedy for the problems we have with the Bookshare
> classification
> > system.
> > Want a subcategory? Add it. Find a book that has not
> been categorized?
> > Categorize it on the spot.
> >
> >
> > _ _ _
> >
> > "One of the things that is wrong with religion is that
> it teaches us to
> > be
> > satisfied with answers which are not really answers at
> all." - Richard
> > Dawkins
> >
> > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rogerbailey81
> >
> >
> > The Militant:
> > http://www.themilitant.com
> > Pathfinder Press:
> > http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> > Granma International:
> > http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Regina Alvarado" <regina.alvarado6@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:56 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I was
> browsing Bookshare I saw
> >
> > that...
> >
> >
> >>I have seen this. Sometimes I wonder if what
> is put in is true, but it
> >>seems to be, and as you said Roger tags giving
> incorrect information
> > can be
> >>removed. I like that idea. Scott? Think
> we could someday?
> >> Reggie
> >>
> >>
> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 11:17 AM
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I was
> browsing Bookshare I
> >> saw
> >> that...
> >>
> >>> A number of sites have user added tags, like
> Paperbackswap.com,
> >>> Amazon or
> >>> OpenLibrary.org. Open Library uses them in a
> way that is closest to
> > what
> >>> I think Bookshare should have. At Open Library
> they are trying to
> > create
> >>> a page full of bibliographic data for every
> book that has ever been
> >>> published. So far they have just short of 25
> million listings, most
> > of
> >>> which have been gathered with bots. That means
> that a lot of that
> >>> bibliographic data is inconsistent or
> incomplete. They, therefore,
> > invite
> >>> anyone who might be browsing their site to
> improve the entries. It is
> >
> >>> similar to Wikipedia in that respect. One can
> add a description,
> >>> publishing history, tables of contents, number
> of pages and so forth.
> > One
> >>> of the things that is editable by users is
> categorization. They have
> >>> categories of tags already available such as
> topics, dates, places or
> >
> >>> people mentioned in the book. The user will
> simply type in the
> > missing
> >>> category and click save. Then on the page for
> the book that category
> > will
> >>> be displayed. Click that tag and every book
> that any user has given
> > that
> >>> tag for will appear. When you search the
> entire collection for any
> > key
> >>> word you want, at the bottom of the results is
> a list of tags that
> >>> various users have given books in your search
> results. You can then
> >>> narrow your search by clicking any of those
> tags. I think that would
> > be
> >>> an excellent solution for Bookshare for both
> the books that have a
> >>> paucity of categorization and for the paucity
> of categories
> > available.
> >>> Bookshare has a number of categories as it is,
> but I am sure that you
> > or
> >>> anyone else could think of additional
> categories that would be
> > helpful or
> >>> subcategories within any of these categories,
> The problem with that,
> >>> though, is that the category structure would
> become entirely
> > unwieldy.
> >>> With user generated tags, though, as many
> categories and
> > subcategories as
> >>> you could think of could be added and, if you
> thought any of them was
> >
> >>> inappropriate, could be removed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _ _
> _
> >>>
> >>> "One of the things that is wrong with religion
> is that it teaches us
> >>> to
> >>> be satisfied with answers which are not really
> answers at all." -
> > Richard
> >>> Dawkins
> >>>
> >>> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rogerbailey81
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Militant:
> >>> http://www.themilitant.com
> >>> Pathfinder Press:
> >>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> >>> Granma International:
> >>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Regina Alvarado" <regina.alvarado6@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:34 AM
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I
> was browsing Bookshare I
> > saw
> >>> that...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Roger:
> >>>> What is a user added tag? Enlighten this
> fossil, please. Thanks
> >>>> Curious in Dearborn Heights
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> --------------------------------------------------
> >>>> From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:29 AM
> >>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when
> I was browsing Bookshare I
> >
> >>>> saw
> >>>> that...
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have noticed that a lot of publisher
> quality books have a paucity
> >
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> metadata. I wonder if making a quality
> report with the suggested
> >>>>> categorization would help. By the way,
> I think this is an
> > additional
> >>>>> argument for my idea of user added
> tags.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _ _
> _
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "One of the things that is wrong with
> religion is that it teaches
> >>>>> us to
> >>>>> be satisfied with answers which are
> not really answers at all." -
> >>>>> Richard Dawkins
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rogerbailey81
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Militant:
> >>>>> http://www.themilitant.com
> >>>>> Pathfinder Press:
> >>>>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> >>>>> Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Nat Barrett" <hawaiianstar@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:16 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: So when
> I was browsing Bookshare I
> > saw
> >>>>> that...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was wondering about something. And I
> didn't know where else to
> > throw
> >>>>> this out except the volunteer list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, just now I clicked on the new
> to collection page. I was
> >>>>> surprised to see quite a few publisher
> quality Harlequin books.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The thing is, I didn't remember seeing
> them earlier, when I cruised
> >
> >>>>> through the romance category Thursday
> afternoon.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thinking maybe they were recently
> added since the date of addition
> > was
> >>>>> 5/13/2011 and where I am it's only a
> little after 1 a.m. Friday
> > morning
> >>>>> as I type this, I thought maybe it was
> very recent.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, I clicked to browse the
> romance category again, and I was
> >>>>> correct. Those books I saw on the new
> to collection page were not
> >>>>> listed in the romance category. In
> fact, when I clicked on one of
> > the
> >>>>> books listed on the new to collection
> page, they didn't have a
> > category
> >>>>> selected at all. Or at least, not that
> I saw.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is this a simple oversight or is there
> a reason for this? I'm just
> > a
> >>>>> little confused because normally when
> I want a romance, I look at
> > the
> >>>>> romance category page for new
> additions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'll work through this if this is the
> way. But I'm going to find it
> > a
> >>>>> little more time consuming to check
> out what's done by Harlequin
> > and
> >>>>> what's a fiction novel with heavy
> romantic influence. If that makes
> >
> >>>>> sense to everyone. Lol.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for listening to me ramble,
> >>>>> Natalie
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