o.k. I, too don't know what a user tag; please explain Cindy P.S. I proofed, I think, a long time ago, one of the dragons of Pern novels, but when I clicked on my name I only found one I submitted and the synopsis doesn't sound like the story I vaguely remember. Anyway, I thought the story I read and series were fantasy, but then I haven't always been able to tell the difference, though in the receent past, when I wondered about some books, people explained to me how to tell. Cindy --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I was browsing Bookshare I saw > that... > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Friday, May 13, 2011, 5:09 PM > I am not familiar with Dragonsdawn, > but if that is the premise then I would > expect that that would be another one that would be > frequently > miscategorized as fantasy. With the user tag system, > though, that could be > quickly corrected. > > > _ _ _ > > "One of the things that is wrong with religion is that it > teaches us to be > satisfied with answers which are not really answers at > all." - Richard > Dawkins > > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rogerbailey81 > > > The Militant: > http://www.themilitant.com > Pathfinder Press: > http://www.pathfinderpress.com > Granma International: > http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:58 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I was browsing > Bookshare I saw > that... > > > > Hi, Roger, I'd say that people who tag books should be > familiar with > > their content so the information is accurate. Great > catch with the > > McCaffrey books. I don't know if you ever read > Dragonsdawn, but dragons > > were genetically modified fire lizards (at least I > think that's the > > premise). Regards, Kim Friedman. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Roger Loran > > Bailey > > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:48 PM > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I was > browsing Bookshare I saw > > that... > > > > > > There is always the danger of vandalism, but it > appears that at > > Wikipedia it > > is removed very quickly. Wikipedia, though, has a very > large participant > > > > community. I have a watch list there and when I check > it I am always > > hoping > > to get a chance to delete vandalism, but I notice that > when it does > > happen > > someone removes it usually within five minutes or so. > At least twice, > > though, I was quick enough to remove it myself. > Wikipedia is not the > > model > > that I am thinking of for Bookshare though. As I said, > I am thinking of > > Open > > Library as the model. I have never seen a tag there > that appeared to be > > deliberate vandalism and even at Wikipedia the > deliberate vandalism is > > only > > a very small minority of the edits. I do disagree with > some of the Open > > Library tags now and then though. Recently I was > looking at The Dolphins > > of > > Pern by Anne McCaffrey. One of the subject tags > identified it as a > > fantasy. > > Well, a lot of people think the Pern novels are > fantasy because most of > > them > > have the word dragon in the title and dragons are a > fantasy trophe. If > > you > > actually read the books, though, it will be apparent > that they are not > > fantasy. I improved the Open Library listing by > removing the fantasy tag > > and > > replacing it with a science fiction tag. This > illustrates the fact that > > the > > tagging process is a continuously dynamic thing. Tags > that are there one > > day > > may be gone the next day and nothing is set in stone. > I suppose some > > people > > might consider this to be a disadvantage, but it does > not strike me as > > much > > of one since mistakes can always be made and the real > disadvantage would > > be > > to be stuck with those mistakes. I do think that this > would be a very > > strong > > remedy for the problems we have with the Bookshare > classification > > system. > > Want a subcategory? Add it. Find a book that has not > been categorized? > > Categorize it on the spot. > > > > > > _ _ _ > > > > "One of the things that is wrong with religion is that > it teaches us to > > be > > satisfied with answers which are not really answers at > all." - Richard > > Dawkins > > > > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rogerbailey81 > > > > > > The Militant: > > http://www.themilitant.com > > Pathfinder Press: > > http://www.pathfinderpress.com > > Granma International: > > http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Regina Alvarado" <regina.alvarado6@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:56 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I was > browsing Bookshare I saw > > > > that... > > > > > >>I have seen this. Sometimes I wonder if what > is put in is true, but it > >>seems to be, and as you said Roger tags giving > incorrect information > > can be > >>removed. I like that idea. Scott? Think > we could someday? > >> Reggie > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 11:17 AM > >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I was > browsing Bookshare I > >> saw > >> that... > >> > >>> A number of sites have user added tags, like > Paperbackswap.com, > >>> Amazon or > >>> OpenLibrary.org. Open Library uses them in a > way that is closest to > > what > >>> I think Bookshare should have. At Open Library > they are trying to > > create > >>> a page full of bibliographic data for every > book that has ever been > >>> published. So far they have just short of 25 > million listings, most > > of > >>> which have been gathered with bots. That means > that a lot of that > >>> bibliographic data is inconsistent or > incomplete. They, therefore, > > invite > >>> anyone who might be browsing their site to > improve the entries. It is > > > >>> similar to Wikipedia in that respect. One can > add a description, > >>> publishing history, tables of contents, number > of pages and so forth. > > One > >>> of the things that is editable by users is > categorization. They have > >>> categories of tags already available such as > topics, dates, places or > > > >>> people mentioned in the book. The user will > simply type in the > > missing > >>> category and click save. Then on the page for > the book that category > > will > >>> be displayed. Click that tag and every book > that any user has given > > that > >>> tag for will appear. When you search the > entire collection for any > > key > >>> word you want, at the bottom of the results is > a list of tags that > >>> various users have given books in your search > results. You can then > >>> narrow your search by clicking any of those > tags. I think that would > > be > >>> an excellent solution for Bookshare for both > the books that have a > >>> paucity of categorization and for the paucity > of categories > > available. > >>> Bookshare has a number of categories as it is, > but I am sure that you > > or > >>> anyone else could think of additional > categories that would be > > helpful or > >>> subcategories within any of these categories, > The problem with that, > >>> though, is that the category structure would > become entirely > > unwieldy. > >>> With user generated tags, though, as many > categories and > > subcategories as > >>> you could think of could be added and, if you > thought any of them was > > > >>> inappropriate, could be removed. > >>> > >>> > >>> _ _ > _ > >>> > >>> "One of the things that is wrong with religion > is that it teaches us > >>> to > >>> be satisfied with answers which are not really > answers at all." - > > Richard > >>> Dawkins > >>> > >>> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rogerbailey81 > >>> > >>> > >>> The Militant: > >>> http://www.themilitant.com > >>> Pathfinder Press: > >>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com > >>> Granma International: > >>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Regina Alvarado" <regina.alvarado6@xxxxxxxxx> > >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:34 AM > >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when I > was browsing Bookshare I > > saw > >>> that... > >>> > >>> > >>>> Roger: > >>>> What is a user added tag? Enlighten this > fossil, please. Thanks > >>>> Curious in Dearborn Heights > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -------------------------------------------------- > >>>> From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> > >>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 10:29 AM > >>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: So when > I was browsing Bookshare I > > > >>>> saw > >>>> that... > >>>> > >>>>> I have noticed that a lot of publisher > quality books have a paucity > > > >>>>> of > >>>>> metadata. I wonder if making a quality > report with the suggested > >>>>> categorization would help. By the way, > I think this is an > > additional > >>>>> argument for my idea of user added > tags. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _ _ > _ > >>>>> > >>>>> "One of the things that is wrong with > religion is that it teaches > >>>>> us to > >>>>> be satisfied with answers which are > not really answers at all." - > >>>>> Richard Dawkins > >>>>> > >>>>> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rogerbailey81 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The Militant: > >>>>> http://www.themilitant.com > >>>>> Pathfinder Press: > >>>>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com > >>>>> Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Nat Barrett" <hawaiianstar@xxxxxxxxx> > >>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 7:16 AM > >>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: So when > I was browsing Bookshare I > > saw > >>>>> that... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello, > >>>>> > >>>>> I was wondering about something. And I > didn't know where else to > > throw > >>>>> this out except the volunteer list. > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyway, just now I clicked on the new > to collection page. I was > >>>>> surprised to see quite a few publisher > quality Harlequin books. > >>>>> > >>>>> The thing is, I didn't remember seeing > them earlier, when I cruised > > > >>>>> through the romance category Thursday > afternoon. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thinking maybe they were recently > added since the date of addition > > was > >>>>> 5/13/2011 and where I am it's only a > little after 1 a.m. Friday > > morning > >>>>> as I type this, I thought maybe it was > very recent. > >>>>> > >>>>> However, I clicked to browse the > romance category again, and I was > >>>>> correct. Those books I saw on the new > to collection page were not > >>>>> listed in the romance category. In > fact, when I clicked on one of > > the > >>>>> books listed on the new to collection > page, they didn't have a > > category > >>>>> selected at all. Or at least, not that > I saw. > >>>>> > >>>>> Is this a simple oversight or is there > a reason for this? I'm just > > a > >>>>> little confused because normally when > I want a romance, I look at > > the > >>>>> romance category page for new > additions. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'll work through this if this is the > way. But I'm going to find it > > a > >>>>> little more time consuming to check > out what's done by Harlequin > > and > >>>>> what's a fiction novel with heavy > romantic influence. If that makes > > > >>>>> sense to everyone. Lol. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks for listening to me ramble, > >>>>> Natalie > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list send a > blank Email to > >>>>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself > in the subject line. 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