[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text

Well, they certainly help me, at least short muted trumpet emitions to indicate things like that... especially when I'm using RealSpeak Solo Direct to capitalize words.----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>

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Chela, I like your idea. You have a creative way of solving things. I think I'd personally use it to identify quotes though since they are the things I
usually miss when I proofread. I get so involved in my reading that I
completely forget to make sure quotes are closed properly. JAWS comes with
some .wav files for making sound schemes. I need to spend some time playing
with those. I found that I do much better on the web with NVDA because of
its tones and beeps that identify certain web elements.

Hmm. I wonder if the beeps can help me with my auditory processing disorder the way that bold text and ellipses between chapter titles and page numbers
in a table of contents help Valerie's daughter Nicole.

Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chela Robles
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:07 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text

I know what could be a good Idea have a sound scheme for whenever something is capitalized, I can take a recording of a beep or play a high C on trumpet

and have that be the caps indicator, what do you all think in general?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text


Hi, Chela, yes, I have noticed that. That's the only thing about it that
bugs me. I have compensated for the typing lag in the voice by raising the
rate of the keyboard voice to 60% and that works fine for me. I'd like to
find a way to remedy matters so one can know if a word is capitalized in
some way in an unobtrusive manner, but I don't know what to do about this
one. Regards, Kim Friedman.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chela Robles
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:03 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text

You know, real speak voices is one of the ones when I use JFW sometimes
using those voices, doesn't raise the pitch when capitalizing something,
anyone else notice that, at least the neospeech and eloquence does.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text


Hi Cindy!

If I am listening to a book, I can hear bold and italicized text.   The
pitch of the reading voice is different.  And when I scan a book, my
books retain the bold and italics.  That's all just me.  There may be
folks whose scanning software doesn't preserve bold and italics,
though I've never heard of one that stripped that.  But anything's
possible.

Mayrie



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:03 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text

But we don't know when we submit or upload books whether they're going
to be converted to Daisy or not, do we? And we're supposed to keep the
file as cl;close as possible to the print book, so I'd retain italics,
bold, and larger fonts as needed--jmo.

When one is listening to a book (is that Daisy?), does one hear
emphasis when a word is italicized? Do you scanners listen when you
scan? Or how do you know if words need to be italicized? The book I'm
soon to upload I have because it needed page breaks, but as I put in
the breaks I found I had to eye-scan the print page because there are
a lot of words I found that hadto be changed in the file to italics.
It was just accident that a sighted proofer happened to get this file.
How would a blind scanner know that a book needed a sighted proofer to
put in italics? Can the OCR be set to scan italicised words or words
with an odd font?

cindy
Cindy

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--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:25 PM







As far as I know, bold and
italics make no
difference at all. They may very well be taken out.

Bob

"We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all of
us will live on in the future we make,"
Senator Edward M. Kennedy

  ----- Original Message
----- From:
  Denise Thompson

  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


  Sent: Sunday,
November 08, 2009 5:44
  PM
  Subject:
[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded
  words in text

My question is- does it make a
difference in Daisy
  to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it?
I've been changing the
  book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though
that's what
  we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for
both. I was
  under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of
text
  atributes. So now that we're all confused as to what to do. Someone
needs to
  decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've
done this
  with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks regular
text is
  ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it keeping changing
makes it
  difficult for those of us doing proofing.

Denise


At 11:47 AM
  11/7/2009, you wrote:

  Monica, you
make a good point;
    however, I am sure that the request to change the entire text of a
    submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual.

Like you, I always
    change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but luckily I
have made
    a note to that effect when submitting the book.
However, it would be very
    easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note.

I agree with
    the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the font
in order to
    make the text more readable and also to reduce some very large
fonts.
    In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before making
a
    universal change.

Lori C.
.


----- Original Message
    ----- From: "Monica Willyard"
<rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
To:
    <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009
    10:56 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text



    Melissa
and Lori, please,
      please don't do this as a principle on every book.
I don't think you
      realize that this could do damage to someone's submission.
When I
      submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my
      chapter
headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the
      Bookshare
tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font

      size to tell
when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current
      book I'm scanning
uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and
      log entries when the
scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New
      Roman.

Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at
      the bottom of
the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or
      numbers tells the
Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter
      or part begins. If you
change the entire document to 12 point, you
      would unintentionally undo the
work I spend a couple of hours doing to
      ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille and blind
speech
      users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning disabilities
would
      though, and I'm doing everything I can to make their reading as
easy
      and pleasurable as ours.

I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like
      a lecture. It's not meant that
way. I'm pleading with you to learn
      about how fonts work and why they matter. I used to do the same
thing
      as you, changing mine to Times New Roman as well. Then Judy and
Valerie
      came into my life and opened my eyes and heart to their needs.
Since
      then I began paying attention to the fonts in my scans before
      submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are
correct as
      I strip headers in my books.

This isn't an absolute thing, and it's
      not a show-stopper in the grand scheme of things. If you know
for sure
      that the submitter hasn't done any work with the fonts,
changing the
      font probably won't matter. If your screenreader won't speak
the text
      in Word, you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In
that case,
      will you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font for
      chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by
      selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control right
bracket
      in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word.
It will
      increase
the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you
      should hear the
font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the
      font smaller, by the
way.

It does take extra time to do this. I
      freely admit that. If you are blind like me, fonts mean very
little
      since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd want help if
something was
      causing my Braille books to read badly, so I take time to do it
for
      others who need it.

Monica Willyard
"The best way to predict the
      future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker

-----Original
      Message-----
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[
      mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
      Smith
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM
To:
      bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words
      in text

I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New
      Roman, and 12
Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This
      leaves any bold or
italicized text the way it is. I do this in every
      book I proof.

Melissa


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