Chela, could you show me how to do this sort of thing, i.e., indicate the capitalization of a word by using a sound? I'd have to know: 1. Where to get or find the sound, 2. how to integrate it into Jaws (due to my lack of knowledge or caution, I haven't had any intention to mess about with Jaws settings because I wouldn't know what to do and would prefer not to crash my computer.) and 3. I'd need a lot of details so I can understand not only what to do but what happens when I do something and why one would do it in the first place. You are going to be talking to a non-technogeek, so be gentle with me and give me lots and lots of details. I should also tell you from the start that telling me to read the manual won't serve because I have a marvelous facility for falling asleep when I start reading those things. They aren't as exciting to read as genre fiction. Now you know. Regards, Kim Friedman. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chela Robles Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:00 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text Oh yeah, setting a sound scheme for such things as bold or italics is the most fun I've ever had, made trumpet recordings for italic and had a ding sound for bold. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text > Hi Cindy and Melissa, > > If one is using JAWS and microsoft Word, JAWS can be instructed to > change it's manner of speaking or to make a different sound to > indicate that bolded or italicized text is being read. I don't know > how to achieve this, but my geeky sweetie assures me that if I wanted > to do it, he could set it up for me. I use a different software for > proofreading. That's why I don't employ this method. > > Mayrie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa > Smith > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:31 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text > > Cindy, I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but every > single book in the bookshare library is available in daisy format, as > well as a .brf or Braille file. If you are using Kurzweil, you can > have it set to speak the "emphasized text" in a different voice. The > "emphasized text" as I understand is text that is bolded or > italicized. > Kurzweil does recognize text as either being bolded or Italicized, but > it is not always accurate. It is difficult for us blind proofers and > scanners to know for sure what is supposed to be bolded or Italicized, > but if there is a pattern, it can be figured out. For instance, in a > recent book I scanned, there were quotes from others that appeared in > italics. Kurzweil recognized it as such. I had a sighted person check > the first couple of quotes and confirmed that they were in italics, so > I knew that was the case through the rest of the book. If you choose > to, you can have your screenreader set to speak the font changes, > which I do when proofing, but not when doing my normal work. > > Melissa > > Cindy wrote: >> But we don't know when we submit or upload books whether they're >> going to > be converted to Daisy or not, do we? And we're supposed to keep the > file as cl;close as possible to the print book, so I'd retain italics, > bold, and larger fonts as needed--jmo. >> >> When one is listening to a book (is that Daisy?), does one hear >> emphasis > when a word is italicized? Do you scanners listen when you scan? Or > how do you know if words need to be italicized? The book I'm soon to > upload I have because it needed page breaks, but as I put in the > breaks I found I had to eye-scan the print page because there are a > lot of words I found that hadto be changed in the file to italics. It > was just accident that a sighted proofer happened to get this file. > How would a blind scanner know that a book needed a sighted proofer to > put in italics? Can the OCR be set to scan italicised words or words > with an odd font? >> >> cindy >> Cindy >> >> Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and >> books-being-scanned list available at sites below >> >> >> >> Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List >> >> Books Being Scanned List: >> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List >> >> >> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >>> From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:25 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> As far as I know, bold and >>> italics make no >>> difference at all. They may very well be taken out. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> "We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all >>> of us will live on in the future we make," >>> Senator Edward M. Kennedy >>> >>> ----- Original Message >>> ----- >>> From: >>> Denise Thompson >>> >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, >>> November 08, 2009 5:44 >>> PM >>> Subject: >>> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded >>> words in text >>> >>> My question is- does it make a >>> difference in Daisy >>> to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it? >>> I've been changing the >>> book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though >>> that's what >>> we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for >>> both. I was >>> under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of >>> text >>> atributes. So now that we're all confused as to what to do. >>> Someone needs to >>> decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've >>> done this >>> with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks >>> regular text is >>> ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it keeping changing >>> makes it >>> difficult for those of us doing proofing. >>> >>> Denise >>> >>> >>> At 11:47 AM >>> 11/7/2009, you wrote: >>> >>> Monica, you >>> make a good point; >>> however, I am sure that the request to change the entire text of >>> a >>> submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual. >>> >>> Like you, I always >>> change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but luckily >>> I have made >>> a note to that effect when submitting the book. >>> However, it would be very >>> easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note. >>> >>> I agree with >>> the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the font >>> in order to >>> make the text more readable and also to reduce some very large >>> fonts. >>> In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before >>> making a >>> universal change. >>> >>> Lori C. >>> . >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message >>> ----- From: "Monica Willyard" >>> <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> >>> To: >>> <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 >>> 10:56 PM >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text >>> >>> >>> >>> Melissa >>> and Lori, please, >>> please don't do this as a principle on every book. >>> I don't think you >>> realize that this could do damage to someone's submission. >>> When I >>> submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my >>> chapter >>> headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the >>> Bookshare >>> tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font >>> >>> size to tell >>> when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current >>> book I'm scanning >>> uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and >>> log entries when the >>> scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New >>> Roman. >>> >>> Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at >>> the bottom of >>> the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or >>> numbers tells the >>> Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter >>> or part begins. If you >>> change the entire document to 12 point, you >>> would unintentionally undo the work I spend a couple of hours >>> doing to >>> ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille and blind >>> speech >>> users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning disabilities >>> would >>> though, and I'm doing everything I can to make their reading >>> as easy >>> and pleasurable as ours. >>> >>> I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like >>> a lecture. It's not meant that way. I'm pleading with you to >>> learn >>> about how fonts work and why they matter. I used to do the >>> same thing >>> as you, changing mine to Times New Roman as well. Then Judy >>> and Valerie >>> came into my life and opened my eyes and heart to their needs. >>> Since >>> then I began paying attention to the fonts in my scans before >>> submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are >>> correct as >>> I strip headers in my books. >>> >>> This isn't an absolute thing, and it's >>> not a show-stopper in the grand scheme of things. If you know >>> for sure >>> that the submitter hasn't done any work with the fonts, >>> changing the >>> font probably won't matter. If your screenreader won't speak >>> the text >>> in Word, you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In >>> that case, >>> will you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font >>> for >>> chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by >>> selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control >>> right bracket >>> in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word. >>> It will >>> increase >>> the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you >>> should hear the >>> font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the >>> font smaller, by the >>> way. >>> >>> It does take extra time to do this. I >>> freely admit that. If you are blind like me, fonts mean very >>> little >>> since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd want help if >>> something was >>> causing my Braille books to read badly, so I take time to do >>> it for >>> others who need it. >>> >>> Monica Willyard >>> "The best way to predict the >>> future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker >>> >>> -----Original >>> Message----- >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [ >>> mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>> Melissa >>> Smith >>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM >>> To: >>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words >>> in text >>> >>> I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New >>> Roman, and 12 >>> Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This >>> leaves any bold or >>> italicized text the way it is. I do this in every >>> book I proof. >>> >>> Melissa >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list send >>> a blank Email to >>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> put the word >>> 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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