[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text

Chela, could you show me how to do this sort of thing, i.e., indicate the
capitalization of a word by using a sound? I'd have to know: 1. Where to get
or find the sound, 2. how to integrate it into Jaws (due to my lack of
knowledge or caution, I haven't had any intention to mess about with Jaws
settings because I wouldn't know what to do and would prefer not to crash my
computer.) and 3. I'd need a lot of details so I can understand not only
what to do but what happens when I do something and why one would do it in
the first place. You are going to be talking to a non-technogeek, so be
gentle with me and give me lots and lots of details. I should also tell you
from the start that telling me to read the manual won't serve because I have
a marvelous facility for falling asleep when I start reading those things.
They aren't as exciting to read as genre fiction. Now you know. Regards, Kim
Friedman. 

-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chela Robles
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:00 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text

Oh yeah, setting a sound scheme for such things as bold or italics is the
most fun I've ever had, made trumpet recordings for italic and had a ding
sound for bold.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text


> Hi Cindy and Melissa,
>
> If one is using JAWS and microsoft Word, JAWS can be instructed to 
> change it's manner of speaking or to make a different sound to 
> indicate that bolded or italicized text is being read.  I don't know 
> how to achieve this, but my geeky sweetie assures me that if I wanted 
> to do it, he could set it up for me.  I use a different software for 
> proofreading.  That's why I don't employ this method.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa 
> Smith
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:31 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>
> Cindy, I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but every 
> single book in the bookshare library is available in daisy format, as 
> well as a .brf or Braille file. If you are using Kurzweil, you can 
> have it set to speak the "emphasized text" in a different voice. The 
> "emphasized text" as I understand is text that is bolded or 
> italicized.
> Kurzweil does recognize text as either being bolded or Italicized, but 
> it is not always accurate. It is difficult for us blind proofers and 
> scanners to know for sure what is supposed to be bolded or Italicized, 
> but if there is a pattern, it  can be figured out. For instance, in a 
> recent book I scanned, there were quotes from others that appeared in 
> italics. Kurzweil recognized it as such. I had a sighted person check 
> the first couple of quotes and confirmed that they were in italics, so 
> I knew that was the case through the rest of the book. If you choose 
> to, you can have your screenreader set to speak the font changes, 
> which I do when proofing, but not when doing my normal work.
>
> Melissa
>
> Cindy wrote:
>> But we don't know when we submit or upload books whether they're 
>> going to
> be converted to Daisy or not, do we? And we're supposed to keep the 
> file as cl;close as possible to the print book, so I'd retain italics, 
> bold, and larger fonts as needed--jmo.
>>
>> When one is listening to a book (is that Daisy?), does one hear 
>> emphasis
> when a word is italicized? Do you scanners listen when you scan? Or 
> how do you know if words need to be italicized? The book I'm soon to 
> upload I have because it needed page breaks, but as I put in the 
> breaks I found I had to eye-scan the print page because there are a 
> lot of words I found that hadto be changed in the file to italics. It 
> was just accident that a sighted proofer happened to get this file. 
> How would a blind scanner know that a book needed a sighted proofer to 
> put in italics? Can the OCR be set to scan italicised words or words 
> with an odd font?
>>
>> cindy
>> Cindy
>>
>> Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and 
>> books-being-scanned list available at sites below
>>
>>
>>
>> Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
>>
>> Books Being Scanned List:
>> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:25 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I know, bold and
>>> italics make no
>>> difference at all. They may very well be taken out.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> "We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all 
>>> of us will live on in the future we make,"
>>> Senator Edward M. Kennedy
>>>
>>>   ----- Original Message
>>> ----- 
>>>   From:
>>>   Denise Thompson
>>>
>>>   To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>   Sent: Sunday,
>>> November 08, 2009 5:44
>>>   PM
>>>   Subject:
>>> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded
>>>   words in text
>>>
>>> My question is- does it make a
>>> difference in Daisy
>>>   to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it?
>>> I've been changing the
>>>   book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though 
>>> that's what
>>>   we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for 
>>> both. I was
>>>   under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of 
>>> text
>>>   atributes. So now that we're all confused as to what to do. 
>>> Someone needs to
>>>   decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've 
>>> done this
>>>   with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks 
>>> regular text is
>>>   ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it keeping changing 
>>> makes it
>>>   difficult for those of us doing proofing.
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>> At 11:47 AM
>>>   11/7/2009, you wrote:
>>>
>>>   Monica, you
>>> make a good point;
>>>     however, I am sure that the request to change the entire text of 
>>> a
>>>     submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual.
>>>
>>> Like you, I always
>>>     change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but luckily 
>>> I have made
>>>     a note to that effect when submitting the book.
>>> However, it would be very
>>>     easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note.
>>>
>>> I agree with
>>>     the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the font 
>>> in order to
>>>     make the text more readable and also to reduce some very large 
>>> fonts.
>>>     In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before 
>>> making a
>>>     universal change.
>>>
>>> Lori C.
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message
>>>     ----- From: "Monica Willyard"
>>> <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:
>>>     <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009
>>>     10:56 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Melissa
>>> and Lori, please,
>>>       please don't do this as a principle on every book.
>>> I don't think you
>>>       realize that this could do damage to someone's submission.
>>> When I
>>>       submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my
>>>       chapter
>>> headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the
>>>       Bookshare
>>> tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font
>>>
>>>       size to tell
>>> when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current
>>>       book I'm scanning
>>> uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and
>>>       log entries when the
>>> scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New
>>>       Roman.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at
>>>       the bottom of
>>> the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or
>>>       numbers tells the
>>> Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter
>>>       or part begins. If you
>>> change the entire document to 12 point, you
>>>       would unintentionally undo the work I spend a couple of hours 
>>> doing to
>>>       ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille and blind 
>>> speech
>>>       users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning disabilities 
>>> would
>>>       though, and I'm doing everything I can to make their reading 
>>> as easy
>>>       and pleasurable as ours.
>>>
>>> I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like
>>>       a lecture. It's not meant that way. I'm pleading with you to 
>>> learn
>>>       about how fonts work and why they matter. I used to do the 
>>> same thing
>>>       as you, changing mine to Times New Roman as well. Then Judy 
>>> and Valerie
>>>       came into my life and opened my eyes and heart to their needs.
>>> Since
>>>       then I began paying attention to the fonts in my scans before
>>>       submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are 
>>> correct as
>>>       I strip headers in my books.
>>>
>>> This isn't an absolute thing, and it's
>>>       not a show-stopper in the grand scheme of things. If you know 
>>> for sure
>>>       that the submitter hasn't done any work with the fonts, 
>>> changing the
>>>       font probably won't matter. If your screenreader won't speak 
>>> the text
>>>       in Word, you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In 
>>> that case,
>>>       will you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font 
>>> for
>>>       chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by
>>>       selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control 
>>> right bracket
>>>       in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word.
>>> It will
>>>       increase
>>> the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you
>>>       should hear the
>>> font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the
>>>       font smaller, by the
>>> way.
>>>
>>> It does take extra time to do this. I
>>>       freely admit that. If you are blind like me, fonts mean very 
>>> little
>>>       since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd want help if 
>>> something was
>>>       causing my Braille books to read badly, so I take time to do 
>>> it for
>>>       others who need it.
>>>
>>> Monica Willyard
>>> "The best way to predict the
>>>       future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
>>>
>>> -----Original
>>>       Message-----
>>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [
>>>       mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>>> Melissa
>>>       Smith
>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM
>>> To:
>>>       bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words
>>>       in text
>>>
>>> I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New
>>>       Roman, and 12
>>> Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This
>>>       leaves any bold or
>>> italicized text the way it is. I do this in every
>>>       book I proof.
>>>
>>> Melissa
>>>
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