[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:24:03 -0800
Chela, could you show me how to do this sort of thing, i.e., indicate the
capitalization of a word by using a sound? I'd have to know: 1. Where to get
or find the sound, 2. how to integrate it into Jaws (due to my lack of
knowledge or caution, I haven't had any intention to mess about with Jaws
settings because I wouldn't know what to do and would prefer not to crash my
computer.) and 3. I'd need a lot of details so I can understand not only
what to do but what happens when I do something and why one would do it in
the first place. You are going to be talking to a non-technogeek, so be
gentle with me and give me lots and lots of details. I should also tell you
from the start that telling me to read the manual won't serve because I have
a marvelous facility for falling asleep when I start reading those things.
They aren't as exciting to read as genre fiction. Now you know. Regards, Kim
Friedman.
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chela Robles
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:00 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
Oh yeah, setting a sound scheme for such things as bold or italics is the
most fun I've ever had, made trumpet recordings for italic and had a ding
sound for bold.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
> Hi Cindy and Melissa,
>
> If one is using JAWS and microsoft Word, JAWS can be instructed to
> change it's manner of speaking or to make a different sound to
> indicate that bolded or italicized text is being read. I don't know
> how to achieve this, but my geeky sweetie assures me that if I wanted
> to do it, he could set it up for me. I use a different software for
> proofreading. That's why I don't employ this method.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
> Smith
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:31 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>
> Cindy, I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but every
> single book in the bookshare library is available in daisy format, as
> well as a .brf or Braille file. If you are using Kurzweil, you can
> have it set to speak the "emphasized text" in a different voice. The
> "emphasized text" as I understand is text that is bolded or
> italicized.
> Kurzweil does recognize text as either being bolded or Italicized, but
> it is not always accurate. It is difficult for us blind proofers and
> scanners to know for sure what is supposed to be bolded or Italicized,
> but if there is a pattern, it can be figured out. For instance, in a
> recent book I scanned, there were quotes from others that appeared in
> italics. Kurzweil recognized it as such. I had a sighted person check
> the first couple of quotes and confirmed that they were in italics, so
> I knew that was the case through the rest of the book. If you choose
> to, you can have your screenreader set to speak the font changes,
> which I do when proofing, but not when doing my normal work.
>
> Melissa
>
> Cindy wrote:
>> But we don't know when we submit or upload books whether they're
>> going to
> be converted to Daisy or not, do we? And we're supposed to keep the
> file as cl;close as possible to the print book, so I'd retain italics,
> bold, and larger fonts as needed--jmo.
>>
>> When one is listening to a book (is that Daisy?), does one hear
>> emphasis
> when a word is italicized? Do you scanners listen when you scan? Or
> how do you know if words need to be italicized? The book I'm soon to
> upload I have because it needed page breaks, but as I put in the
> breaks I found I had to eye-scan the print page because there are a
> lot of words I found that hadto be changed in the file to italics. It
> was just accident that a sighted proofer happened to get this file.
> How would a blind scanner know that a book needed a sighted proofer to
> put in italics? Can the OCR be set to scan italicised words or words
> with an odd font?
>>
>> cindy
>> Cindy
>>
>> Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and
>> books-being-scanned list available at sites below
>>
>>
>>
>> Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
>>
>> Books Being Scanned List:
>> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:25 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I know, bold and
>>> italics make no
>>> difference at all. They may very well be taken out.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> "We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all
>>> of us will live on in the future we make,"
>>> Senator Edward M. Kennedy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message
>>> -----
>>> From:
>>> Denise Thompson
>>>
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sunday,
>>> November 08, 2009 5:44
>>> PM
>>> Subject:
>>> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded
>>> words in text
>>>
>>> My question is- does it make a
>>> difference in Daisy
>>> to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it?
>>> I've been changing the
>>> book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though
>>> that's what
>>> we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for
>>> both. I was
>>> under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of
>>> text
>>> atributes. So now that we're all confused as to what to do.
>>> Someone needs to
>>> decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've
>>> done this
>>> with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks
>>> regular text is
>>> ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it keeping changing
>>> makes it
>>> difficult for those of us doing proofing.
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>> At 11:47 AM
>>> 11/7/2009, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Monica, you
>>> make a good point;
>>> however, I am sure that the request to change the entire text of
>>> a
>>> submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual.
>>>
>>> Like you, I always
>>> change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but luckily
>>> I have made
>>> a note to that effect when submitting the book.
>>> However, it would be very
>>> easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note.
>>>
>>> I agree with
>>> the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the font
>>> in order to
>>> make the text more readable and also to reduce some very large
>>> fonts.
>>> In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before
>>> making a
>>> universal change.
>>>
>>> Lori C.
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message
>>> ----- From: "Monica Willyard"
>>> <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:
>>> <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009
>>> 10:56 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Melissa
>>> and Lori, please,
>>> please don't do this as a principle on every book.
>>> I don't think you
>>> realize that this could do damage to someone's submission.
>>> When I
>>> submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my
>>> chapter
>>> headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the
>>> Bookshare
>>> tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font
>>>
>>> size to tell
>>> when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current
>>> book I'm scanning
>>> uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and
>>> log entries when the
>>> scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New
>>> Roman.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at
>>> the bottom of
>>> the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or
>>> numbers tells the
>>> Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter
>>> or part begins. If you
>>> change the entire document to 12 point, you
>>> would unintentionally undo the work I spend a couple of hours
>>> doing to
>>> ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille and blind
>>> speech
>>> users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning disabilities
>>> would
>>> though, and I'm doing everything I can to make their reading
>>> as easy
>>> and pleasurable as ours.
>>>
>>> I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like
>>> a lecture. It's not meant that way. I'm pleading with you to
>>> learn
>>> about how fonts work and why they matter. I used to do the
>>> same thing
>>> as you, changing mine to Times New Roman as well. Then Judy
>>> and Valerie
>>> came into my life and opened my eyes and heart to their needs.
>>> Since
>>> then I began paying attention to the fonts in my scans before
>>> submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are
>>> correct as
>>> I strip headers in my books.
>>>
>>> This isn't an absolute thing, and it's
>>> not a show-stopper in the grand scheme of things. If you know
>>> for sure
>>> that the submitter hasn't done any work with the fonts,
>>> changing the
>>> font probably won't matter. If your screenreader won't speak
>>> the text
>>> in Word, you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In
>>> that case,
>>> will you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font
>>> for
>>> chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by
>>> selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control
>>> right bracket
>>> in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word.
>>> It will
>>> increase
>>> the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you
>>> should hear the
>>> font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the
>>> font smaller, by the
>>> way.
>>>
>>> It does take extra time to do this. I
>>> freely admit that. If you are blind like me, fonts mean very
>>> little
>>> since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd want help if
>>> something was
>>> causing my Braille books to read badly, so I take time to do
>>> it for
>>> others who need it.
>>>
>>> Monica Willyard
>>> "The best way to predict the
>>> future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
>>>
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>>> Message-----
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>>> mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>> Melissa
>>> Smith
>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM
>>> To:
>>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words
>>> in text
>>>
>>> I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New
>>> Roman, and 12
>>> Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This
>>> leaves any bold or
>>> italicized text the way it is. I do this in every
>>> book I proof.
>>>
>>> Melissa
>>>
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