[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:43:29 -0800
Hi, Mayrie, that would be in the sounds manager, but I, like you, wouldn't
mess with it because unlike your sweetie, I am not a geek, not even a shadow
of one. It would never occur to me to put a sound on a certain word, for
example. Regards, Kim.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:47 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
Hi Cindy and Melissa,
If one is using JAWS and microsoft Word, JAWS can be instructed to
change it's manner of speaking or to make a different sound to indicate that
bolded or italicized text is being read. I don't know how to achieve this,
but my geeky sweetie assures me that if I wanted to do it, he could set it
up for me. I use a different software for proofreading. That's why I don't
employ this method.
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Smith
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:31 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
Cindy, I don't know the answers to all of your questions, but every single
book in the bookshare library is available in daisy format, as well as a
.brf or Braille file. If you are using Kurzweil, you can have it set to
speak the "emphasized text" in a different voice. The "emphasized text" as I
understand is text that is bolded or italicized.
Kurzweil does recognize text as either being bolded or Italicized, but it is
not always accurate. It is difficult for us blind proofers and scanners to
know for sure what is supposed to be bolded or Italicized, but if there is a
pattern, it can be figured out. For instance, in a recent book I scanned,
there were quotes from others that appeared in italics. Kurzweil recognized
it as such. I had a sighted person check the first couple of quotes and
confirmed that they were in italics, so I knew that was the case through the
rest of the book. If you choose to, you can have your screenreader set to
speak the font changes, which I do when proofing, but not when doing my
normal work.
Melissa
Cindy wrote:
> But we don't know when we submit or upload books whether they're going
> to
be converted to Daisy or not, do we? And we're supposed to keep the file as
cl;close as possible to the print book, so I'd retain italics, bold, and
larger fonts as needed--jmo.
>
> When one is listening to a book (is that Daisy?), does one hear
> emphasis
when a word is italicized? Do you scanners listen when you scan? Or how do
you know if words need to be italicized? The book I'm soon to upload I have
because it needed page breaks, but as I put in the breaks I found I had to
eye-scan the print page because there are a lot of words I found that hadto
be changed in the file to italics. It was just accident that a sighted
proofer happened to get this file. How would a blind scanner know that a
book needed a sighted proofer to put in italics? Can the OCR be set to scan
italicised words or words with an odd font?
>
> cindy
> Cindy
>
> Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and
> books-being-scanned list available at sites below
>
>
>
> Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
>
> Books Being Scanned List:
> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>> From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:25 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as I know, bold and
>> italics make no
>> difference at all. They may very well be taken out.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> "We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all of
>> us will live on in the future we make,"
>> Senator Edward M. Kennedy
>>
>> ----- Original Message
>> -----
>> From:
>> Denise Thompson
>>
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday,
>> November 08, 2009 5:44
>> PM
>> Subject:
>> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded
>> words in text
>>
>> My question is- does it make a
>> difference in Daisy
>> to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it?
>> I've been changing the
>> book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though
>> that's what
>> we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for
>> both. I was
>> under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of
>> text
>> atributes. So now that we're all confused as to what to do. Someone
>> needs to
>> decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've
>> done this
>> with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks regular
>> text is
>> ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it keeping changing
>> makes it
>> difficult for those of us doing proofing.
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> At 11:47 AM
>> 11/7/2009, you wrote:
>>
>> Monica, you
>> make a good point;
>> however, I am sure that the request to change the entire text of
>> a
>> submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual.
>>
>> Like you, I always
>> change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but luckily I
>> have made
>> a note to that effect when submitting the book.
>> However, it would be very
>> easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note.
>>
>> I agree with
>> the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the font
>> in order to
>> make the text more readable and also to reduce some very large
>> fonts.
>> In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before making
>> a
>> universal change.
>>
>> Lori C.
>> .
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message
>> ----- From: "Monica Willyard"
>> <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To:
>> <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009
>> 10:56 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>
>>
>>
>> Melissa
>> and Lori, please,
>> please don't do this as a principle on every book.
>> I don't think you
>> realize that this could do damage to someone's submission.
>> When I
>> submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my
>> chapter
>> headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the
>> Bookshare
>> tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font
>>
>> size to tell
>> when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current
>> book I'm scanning
>> uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and
>> log entries when the
>> scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New
>> Roman.
>>
>> Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at
>> the bottom of
>> the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or
>> numbers tells the
>> Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter
>> or part begins. If you
>> change the entire document to 12 point, you
>> would unintentionally undo the
>> work I spend a couple of hours doing to
>> ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille and blind
>> speech
>> users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning disabilities
>> would
>> though, and I'm doing everything I can to make their reading as
>> easy
>> and pleasurable as ours.
>>
>> I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like
>> a lecture. It's not meant that
>> way. I'm pleading with you to learn
>> about how fonts work and why they matter. I used to do the same
>> thing
>> as you, changing mine to Times New Roman as well. Then Judy and
>> Valerie
>> came into my life and opened my eyes and heart to their needs.
>> Since
>> then I began paying attention to the fonts in my scans before
>> submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are
>> correct as
>> I strip headers in my books.
>>
>> This isn't an absolute thing, and it's
>> not a show-stopper in the grand scheme of things. If you know
>> for sure
>> that the submitter hasn't done any work with the fonts,
>> changing the
>> font probably won't matter. If your screenreader won't speak
>> the text
>> in Word, you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In
>> that case,
>> will you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font
>> for
>> chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by
>> selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control right
>> bracket
>> in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word.
>> It will
>> increase
>> the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you
>> should hear the
>> font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the
>> font smaller, by the
>> way.
>>
>> It does take extra time to do this. I
>> freely admit that. If you are blind like me, fonts mean very
>> little
>> since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd want help if
>> something was
>> causing my Braille books to read badly, so I take time to do it
>> for
>> others who need it.
>>
>> Monica Willyard
>> "The best way to predict the
>> future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
>>
>> -----Original
>> Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [
>> mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Melissa
>> Smith
>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM
>> To:
>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words
>> in text
>>
>> I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New
>> Roman, and 12
>> Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This
>> leaves any bold or
>> italicized text the way it is. I do this in every
>> book I proof.
>>
>> Melissa
>>
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