[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text

  • From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:25:29 -0600

As far as I know, bold and italics make no difference at all. They may very 
well be taken out.

Bob

"We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all of us will 
live on in the future we make,"
Senator Edward M. Kennedy 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Denise Thompson 
  To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:44 PM
  Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text


  My question is- does it make a difference in Daisy to have text in bold or 
italix. Does Daisy keep it? I've been changing the book to TN 23 and then 
putting the chapter in 16 because I though that's what we've talked about doing 
on this list before. I use regular for both. I was under the impression that 
Daisy didn't like bold or other types of text atributes. So now that we're all 
confused as to what to do. Someone needs to decide what BKS wants us to do. All 
of my proofed books that I've done this with have been approved by admin so 
apparently admin thinks regular text is ok. I want to do what is expected, but 
for it keeping changing makes it difficult for those of us doing proofing.

  Denise


  At 11:47 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:

    Monica, you make a good point; however, I am sure that the request to 
change the entire text of a submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual.

    Like you, I always change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but 
luckily I have made a note to that effect when submitting the book. However, it 
would be very easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note.

    I agree with the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the 
font in order to make the text more readable and also to reduce some very large 
fonts.  In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before making a 
universal change.

    Lori C.
    .


    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
    To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:56 PM
    Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text



      Melissa and Lori, please, please don't do this as a principle on every 
book.
      I don't think you realize that this could do damage to someone's 
submission.
      When I submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my chapter
      headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the Bookshare
      tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font size to tell
      when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current book I'm scanning
      uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and log entries when the
      scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New Roman.

      Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at the bottom of
      the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or numbers tells the
      Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter or part begins. If you
      change the entire document to 12 point, you would unintentionally undo the
      work I spend a couple of hours doing to ensure good daisy navigation for
      everyone. Braille and blind speech users wouldn't notice. Our members with
      learning disabilities would though, and I'm doing everything I can to make
      their reading as easy and pleasurable as ours.

      I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like a lecture. It's not meant that
      way. I'm pleading with you to learn about how fonts work and why they
      matter. I used to do the same thing as you, changing mine to Times New 
Roman
      as well. Then Judy and Valerie came into my life and opened my eyes and
      heart to their needs. Since then I began paying attention to the fonts in 
my
      scans before submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are
      correct as I strip headers in my books.

      This isn't an absolute thing, and it's not a show-stopper in the grand
      scheme of things. If you know for sure that the submitter hasn't done any
      work with the fonts, changing the font probably won't matter. If your
      screenreader won't speak the text in Word, you may have to change it to 12
      point as a base. In that case, will you please consider taking the time to
      enlarge the font for chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that
      quickly by selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control right
      bracket in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word. It will 
increase
      the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you should hear the
      font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the font smaller, by the
      way.

      It does take extra time to do this. I freely admit that. If you are blind
      like me, fonts mean very little since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd
      want help if something was causing my Braille books to read badly, so I 
take
      time to do it for others who need it.

      Monica Willyard
      "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker

      -----Original Message-----
      From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      [ mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Smith
      Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM
      To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text

      I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New Roman, and 12
      Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This leaves any bold or
      italicized text the way it is. I do this in every book I proof.

      Melissa


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