[bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:05:37 -0800
Hi, I'd want a sound which is there but doesn't drown out the sound of the
letter. I think if you were to play your trumpet you'd have to put a mute in
it. Regards, Kim.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chela Robles
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:07 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
I know what could be a good Idea have a sound scheme for whenever something
is capitalized, I can take a recording of a beep or play a high C on trumpet
and have that be the caps indicator, what do you all think in general?
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From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
> Hi, Chela, yes, I have noticed that. That's the only thing about it
> that bugs me. I have compensated for the typing lag in the voice by
> raising the rate of the keyboard voice to 60% and that works fine for
> me. I'd like to find a way to remedy matters so one can know if a word
> is capitalized in some way in an unobtrusive manner, but I don't know
> what to do about this one. Regards, Kim Friedman.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chela Robles
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:03 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>
> You know, real speak voices is one of the ones when I use JFW
> sometimes using those voices, doesn't raise the pitch when
> capitalizing something, anyone else notice that, at least the neospeech
and eloquence does.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:46 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>
>
>> Hi Cindy!
>>
>> If I am listening to a book, I can hear bold and italicized text. The
>> pitch of the reading voice is different. And when I scan a book, my
>> books retain the bold and italics. That's all just me. There may be
>> folks whose scanning software doesn't preserve bold and italics,
>> though I've never heard of one that stripped that. But anything's
>> possible.
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy
>> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:03 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>
>> But we don't know when we submit or upload books whether they're
>> going to be converted to Daisy or not, do we? And we're supposed to
>> keep the file as cl;close as possible to the print book, so I'd
>> retain italics, bold, and larger fonts as needed--jmo.
>>
>> When one is listening to a book (is that Daisy?), does one hear
>> emphasis when a word is italicized? Do you scanners listen when you
>> scan? Or how do you know if words need to be italicized? The book I'm
>> soon to upload I have because it needed page breaks, but as I put in
>> the breaks I found I had to eye-scan the print page because there are
>> a lot of words I found that hadto be changed in the file to italics.
>> It was just accident that a sighted proofer happened to get this file.
>> How would a blind scanner know that a book needed a sighted proofer
>> to put in italics? Can the OCR be set to scan italicised words or
>> words with an odd font?
>>
>> cindy
>> Cindy
>>
>> Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and
>> books-being-scanned list available at sites below
>>
>>
>>
>> Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
>>
>> Books Being Scanned List:
>> https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:25 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I know, bold and
>>> italics make no
>>> difference at all. They may very well be taken out.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> "We know the future will outlast all of us, but I believe that all
>>> of us will live on in the future we make,"
>>> Senator Edward M. Kennedy
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message
>>> -----
>>> From:
>>> Denise Thompson
>>>
>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sunday,
>>> November 08, 2009 5:44
>>> PM
>>> Subject:
>>> [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded
>>> words in text
>>>
>>> My question is- does it make a
>>> difference in Daisy
>>> to have text in bold or italix. Does Daisy keep it?
>>> I've been changing the
>>> book to TN 23 and then putting the chapter in 16 because I though
>>> that's what
>>> we've talked about doing on this list before. I use regular for
>>> both. I was
>>> under the impression that Daisy didn't like bold or other types of
>>> text
>>> atributes. So now that we're all confused as to what to do.
>>> Someone needs to
>>> decide what BKS wants us to do. All of my proofed books that I've
>>> done this
>>> with have been approved by admin so apparently admin thinks
>>> regular text is
>>> ok. I want to do what is expected, but for it keeping changing
>>> makes it
>>> difficult for those of us doing proofing.
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>> At 11:47 AM
>>> 11/7/2009, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Monica, you
>>> make a good point;
>>> however, I am sure that the request to change the entire text of a
>>> submission to Times Roman 12 is in the manual.
>>>
>>> Like you, I always
>>> change fonts in my chapter titles to a larger size, but luckily
>>> I have made
>>> a note to that effect when submitting the book.
>>> However, it would be very
>>> easy to do all the work you mention and not make a note.
>>>
>>> I agree with
>>> the other Lori from a later message that I have changed the font
>>> in order to
>>> make the text more readable and also to reduce some very large
>>> fonts.
>>> In future, I will check the fonts of chapter titles before
>>> making a
>>> universal change.
>>>
>>> Lori C.
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message
>>> ----- From: "Monica Willyard"
>>> <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:
>>> <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009
>>> 10:56 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words in text
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Melissa
>>> and Lori, please,
>>> please don't do this as a principle on every book.
>>> I don't think you
>>> realize that this could do damage to someone's submission.
>>> When I
>>> submit books, I work very hard to fix the fonts so that my
>>> chapter
>>> headings are detected more easily both by sighted users and the
>>> Bookshare
>>> tools. Sighted readers use changes in the font face or font
>>>
>>> size to tell
>>> when the chapter or scene changes in a book. The current
>>> book I'm scanning
>>> uses the Arial font to indicate a chapter name and
>>> log entries when the
>>> scene changes. The rest of the text is Times New
>>> Roman.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, in many books I submit, the page numbers are at
>>> the bottom of
>>> the page. Using a larger font for the chapter names or
>>> numbers tells the
>>> Bookshare stripper that this is where a new chapter
>>> or part begins. If you
>>> change the entire document to 12 point, you
>>> would unintentionally undo the work I spend a couple of hours
>>> doing to
>>> ensure good daisy navigation for everyone. Braille and blind
>>> speech
>>> users wouldn't notice. Our members with learning disabilities
>>> would
>>> though, and I'm doing everything I can to make their reading
>>> as easy
>>> and pleasurable as ours.
>>>
>>> I hope what I'm saying doesn't sound like
>>> a lecture. It's not meant that way. I'm pleading with you to
>>> learn
>>> about how fonts work and why they matter. I used to do the
>>> same thing
>>> as you, changing mine to Times New Roman as well. Then Judy
>>> and Valerie
>>> came into my life and opened my eyes and heart to their needs.
>>> Since
>>> then I began paying attention to the fonts in my scans before
>>> submitting them. Now I make sure the fonts for chapters are
>>> correct as
>>> I strip headers in my books.
>>>
>>> This isn't an absolute thing, and it's
>>> not a show-stopper in the grand scheme of things. If you know
>>> for sure
>>> that the submitter hasn't done any work with the fonts,
>>> changing the
>>> font probably won't matter. If your screenreader won't speak
>>> the text
>>> in Word, you may have to change it to 12 point as a base. In
>>> that case,
>>> will you please consider taking the time to enlarge the font for
>>> chapter headings to 14 or 16 point? You can do that quickly by
>>> selecting the chapter name or number and pressing control
>>> right bracket
>>> in Kurzweil or shift control right bracket in Word.
>>> It will
>>> increase
>>> the point size each time you press the keystroke, and you
>>> should hear the
>>> font size when it changes. The left bracket makes the
>>> font smaller, by the
>>> way.
>>>
>>> It does take extra time to do this. I
>>> freely admit that. If you are blind like me, fonts mean very
>>> little
>>> since we can't see them. Still, I know I'd want help if
>>> something was
>>> causing my Braille books to read badly, so I take time to do
>>> it for
>>> others who need it.
>>>
>>> Monica Willyard
>>> "The best way to predict the
>>> future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
>>>
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>>> Message-----
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>>> mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa
>>> Smith
>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:31 PM
>>> To:
>>> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Bolded words
>>> in text
>>>
>>> I select the whole document, and set the font to Times New
>>> Roman, and 12
>>> Point. I leave alone the box that has the style. This
>>> leaves any bold or
>>> italicized text the way it is. I do this in every
>>> book I proof.
>>>
>>> Melissa
>>>
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