Thank you, Roger. If only YOU understand my message, it
will have been worth it.
George.
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of roger south
Sent: 05 September 2005 21:35
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moderators request once more:
Subject naming
Hi George and Barry
I've always wondered what Conversation actually meant in
email context. Now after reading the posts today I not
only
know but also know how guilty I've been for doing exactly
what I'm not supposed to do. I'll remember and in future
instead of changing the subject line as I always do I'll
be a
good boy and start a new post.
Roger
You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:50 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moderators request once more:
Subject naming
> For the benefit of those who are wondering what this
thread
> is all about, (and some of those who do) let my try to
> explain. Andrew has mentioned some of what follows, but
I
> feel that perhaps a simpler explanation might help.
>
> (And sorry if this is a long message, but I too have
learned
> a few new things today about how to manage mail from
e-mail
> lists.)
>
> Most e-mail software packages these days allow you to
sort
> messages in one way or another. This might, for
example, be
> by date received or by sender.
>
> However, there are two specific sorting methods which
are of
> concern here, Subject and what is called either,
"Thread"
> or, "Conversation".
>
> So how do these two work?
>
> When you send a completely new message to the list, you
> (hopefully) include a meaningful Subject.
>
> If someone replies to your message, many (but not all)
> e-mail systems will add additional information to the
reply
> called a, "Thread-Topic" to the bit of the message you
do
> not usually see, called the "Header". This is normally
> whatever was in the Subject line of the new message you
> sent.
>
> Once this, "Thread-Topic" Header has been added to a
> message, it essentially CANNOT be changed when you reply
to
> that message - at least not easily.
>
> Someone may change the SUBJECT in a reply to a message,
but
> that "Thread-Topic" will stay the same.
>
> Now in Outlook for example, one of the sorting options
is
> "Conversation", and it is actually the, "Thread-Topic"
which
> is used to sort messages.
>
> But Outlook also includes a sort by, "Subject".
>
> So why have these two sorts, "Subject" and
"Conversation" or
> "Thread"?
>
> I'm afraid it's one of these things that was probably
> decided by Internet boffins way back.
>
> Let's say you start a new conversation or thread,
> "Supermarket Web Pages", asking if anyone has any views
on
> them.
>
> One person might reply, and leave the Subject as is.
>
> Someone else might reply, and change the subject to,
> "Tesco's Web Site".
>
> Another may reply, and change the subject to,
"Morrison's
> Web Site".
>
> If you have your mail sorted by Conversation or Thread,
all
> four messages above will be grouped together.
>
> If you have your messages sorted by Subject, you will
get
> THREE groups of messages.
>
> Are you following me so far?
>
> So then I jump in, and reply to ANY of the above
messages,
> and change the subject to, shall we say, "Internet
Banking".
>
> That's fine for those who have sorted by Subject, but
for
> those who have sorted by Conversation, or Thread, they
now
> find a message about "Internet Banking" in amongst the
> "Supermarket Web Pages" messages.
>
> So the bottom line is that we are asking, as nicely as
> possible, if you would spare a minute to think about
this
> when you are posting to the list.
>
> Are you really replying to the Subject, or are you
starting
> a new conversation or thread? If it's NEW, please hit
the
> NEW button instead of REPLY.
>
> If you have got this far - thank you.
>
> If you have any specific questions, I'll try to answer
them
> as best I can.
>
> George bell.
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