[access-uk] Re: Moderators request once more: Subject naming

hi roger, like you there's probably a good few people out there who didn't
understand the difference. unfortunately, there's also a good few who
probably did but are too lazy to bother, which as a list moderator myself,
is the frustrating part!
Kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list
contact me via email/msn:
kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "roger south" <roger.south@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 9:35 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moderators request once more: Subject naming


> Hi George and Barry
>
> I've always wondered what Conversation actually meant in email context.
Now
> after reading the posts today I not only know but also know how guilty
I've
> been for doing exactly what I'm not supposed to do. I'll remember and in
> future instead of changing the subject line as I always do I'll be a good
> boy and start a new post.
>
> Roger
>
> You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:50 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moderators request once more: Subject naming
>
>
> > For the benefit of those who are wondering what this thread
> > is all about, (and some of those who do) let my try to
> > explain.  Andrew has mentioned some of what follows, but I
> > feel that perhaps a simpler explanation might help.
> >
> > (And sorry if this is a long message, but I too have learned
> > a few new things today about how to manage mail from e-mail
> > lists.)
> >
> > Most e-mail software packages these days allow you to sort
> > messages in one way or another.  This might, for example, be
> > by date received or by sender.
> >
> > However, there are two specific sorting methods which are of
> > concern here, Subject and what is called either, "Thread"
> > or, "Conversation".
> >
> > So how do these two work?
> >
> > When you send a completely new message to the list, you
> > (hopefully) include a meaningful Subject.
> >
> > If someone replies to your message, many (but not all)
> > e-mail systems will add additional information to the reply
> > called a, "Thread-Topic" to the bit of the message you do
> > not usually see, called the "Header".  This is normally
> > whatever was in the Subject line of the new message you
> > sent.
> >
> > Once this, "Thread-Topic" Header has been added to a
> > message, it essentially CANNOT be changed when you reply to
> > that message - at least not easily.
> >
> > Someone may change the SUBJECT in a reply to a message, but
> > that "Thread-Topic" will stay the same.
> >
> > Now in Outlook for example, one of the sorting options is
> > "Conversation", and it is actually the, "Thread-Topic" which
> > is used to sort messages.
> >
> > But Outlook also includes a sort by, "Subject".
> >
> > So why have these two sorts, "Subject" and "Conversation" or
> > "Thread"?
> >
> > I'm afraid it's one of these things that was probably
> > decided by Internet boffins way back.
> >
> > Let's say you start a new conversation or thread,
> > "Supermarket Web Pages", asking if anyone has any views on
> > them.
> >
> > One person might reply, and leave the Subject as is.
> >
> > Someone else might reply, and change the subject to,
> > "Tesco's Web Site".
> >
> > Another may reply, and change the subject to, "Morrison's
> > Web Site".
> >
> > If you have your mail sorted by Conversation or Thread, all
> > four messages above will be grouped together.
> >
> > If you have your messages sorted by Subject, you will get
> > THREE groups of messages.
> >
> > Are you following me so far?
> >
> > So then I jump in, and reply to ANY of the above messages,
> > and change the subject to, shall we say, "Internet Banking".
> >
> > That's fine for those who have sorted by Subject, but for
> > those who have sorted by Conversation, or Thread, they now
> > find a message about "Internet Banking" in amongst the
> > "Supermarket Web Pages" messages.
> >
> > So the bottom line is that we are asking, as nicely as
> > possible, if you would spare a minute to think about this
> > when you are posting to the list.
> >
> > Are you really replying to the Subject, or are you starting
> > a new conversation or thread?  If it's NEW, please hit the
> > NEW button instead of REPLY.
> >
> > If you have got this far - thank you.
> >
> > If you have any specific questions, I'll try to answer them
> > as best I can.
> >
> > George bell.
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