[talks-uk] Re: buying a new phone
- From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <forums@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:46:27 +0100
I'm sorry, what, what on earth are you talking about, long term issues with Geo
not being resolved. this is a Talks list, so I won't ramble on, anyone not
wishing to know the below, which is purely about Geo, please delete now.
Mobile Geo a phone and Mobile Speak yes will set you bak a thousand pounds or
so, and your Trekker Breeze set you back 600 give or take.
your claim is that the Windows solution with Geo has issues and uncertainty
about it, CF are working on a new version to update Geo, this is due out this
year, so that's commitment for you, Geo works on a phone, so if you choose to,
its one less device to carry about.
The Trekker is an obviously blind built device with its lovely high contrast
colour schemes and bigger buttons for fat fingered blind people.
Trekker likewise has no commitment necessarily to update, I'm not saying
Humanware won't do it, but you cannot have your cake and eat it, CF are as
committed to Geo as Humanware are to Trekker.
the additional expense you go through buying the Geo solution gets you the
following perks.
a Mobile Speak license which can be moved from device to device free of charge
into the future, whether or not you keep a Geo product in use or not.
the phone is a usable phone, thus negating the need to carry about your Trekker
with its lovely colours and bigger buttons.
The phone can be charged from any USB socket, the breeze at last review needed
its specific power cord.
neither companies have said they will or will not continue upgrades beyond 2011.
you seem to imply that you have bought into something with a Breeze that will
last longer than Geo, how so? the Breeze is just as likely not to be updated,
the Geo product is not reliant on CF updating it etc, so in theory you can go
on using your Trekker or your Geo product until the end of the earth, or until
the maps are so out of date that you give up.
so at this time the extra £400 is for a phone, which oh yeah, its a phone,
something you can use for more than one purpose, something which has an
internet connect, something which doesn't have I'm blind written on the side of
it, something which has retail value later if you wish to sell it, you
doubtfully will be able to eBay your Trekker.
Mobile Speak goes with you forever, so for me, if I've chosen to spend that
kind of money, I'd be seriously looking at the Geo option.
for anyone wanting more info, as this really isn't the place for it, please do
contact me off list, or go direct to TalkNav's phone lines...
service@xxxxxxxxxxx or 0844 999 4199
its just a view of mine, but I think you painted an unfair picture.
Regards,
Neil Barnfather
Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather
TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
URL: - www.talknav.com
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On 31 May 2011, at 09:25, darren harris wrote:
Well that's good to know. Still, it's a bit of a quandary to be honest as I
really don't know where to go at the moment. The old nokia style of phone is
dying it seems. Screen reader accessibility is becoming more haphazard, thus
for example when it came to a gps solution, that's 1 reason why I went for
the breez over geo, I didn't want to be lumbered with something that I could
only use for a couple years if the accessibility issues of windows weren't
ever resolved. It's not like a phone that you're going to use regularly is
going to last more than a couple of years without it being damaged in some
way. So what then? With apple accessibility is built in so that does look to
be the way to go but it's a question of whether I'd like the touch screen
over the keypad. Another plus with the I phone is that you don't have to buy
the phone then buy a screen reader on top of it. The price is all in 1. to
be honest it's as much about accessibility over afordability and this is
where at the very least the windows based solutions really do fall down.
Talks isn't so expensive even with the outlay of a phone and screen reader.
But with windows you're talking a good 600 quid plus for a reasonable high
end windows phone with mobilespeak and assuming you want geo on top of that
well then you're talking a grand plus. That for me is a no no because as we
know the accessibility issues haven't been addressed. At least not to the
satisfactory of the end user to give them confidence in a long term
investment of that amount of money.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 31 May 2011 09:10
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: buying a new phone
The security thing was never that big an issue anyway though for some such
as famous people or celebrities where people might care where they had gone
it could have been serious. It's resolved with the latest release of IOS
however.
Graham Page
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-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of darren harris
Sent: 31 May 2011 08:45
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: buying a new phone
Well considering that I would like to get a new phone within the next year
or so I'm not entirely sure where I want to go. Windows for the moment seems
a no go option unless they sort out the accessibility issues, code factory
has made an android screen reader, what about talks devices and of course
there's the I phone devices. But even then with the I phone there's an issue
or 2 there especially the recent one where it comes to security. So really
at this time I really am not sure where to go on this.
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Graham Page
Sent: 31 May 2011 08:14
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: buying a new phone
Hi Neil.
I agree with what you say entirely, though if you go for an IPod you will
not of course be able to access much while you are out and about. In the UK
at least, wifi connectivity is patchy to say the least!
Bringing things back more on topic, My big question is what non-touch screen
devices are still available for use with TALKS? Is it really worth anyone
investing in Talks at the moment if new devices are likely to dry up in the
next few months. There are of course low end devices from companies like
Nokia that do as much as most people would want to do but they cannot run
TALKS. The truth is that manufacturers are bullying society into believing
that touch screen is always better since touch screen devices are much
cheaper to make.
Regards
Graham
Graham Page
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-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Sent: 30 May 2011 22:31
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: buying a new phone
Paul,
firstly, :) grin, this is a Talks list, and as such, not really tasked with
helping you choose between a Talks powered device and a none Talks device.
however, since this is a highly covered topic right now here's a view for
you.
The iPhone is a very good consumption product, that is to say, if you are
accessing info from it then it is excellent. however, if your objective is
to input into it, then it starts undoing at the scenes.
let me explain some more, the iPhone is very well adapted for our needs when
you consider accessing apps, reading web pages, reading e-mail, reading text
messages, checking the weather or listening to music / pod casts.
where it falls down is the reverse of this, i.e. you inputting data back
into it, in these instances it is slow, cumber sum and irritating.
this is not an exclusive issue to iPhone, but in fact almost any touch only
device. so notably though since we're on the Apple cart, so to speak, iPad
and iPod Touch etc.
My advice would be this, consider your phone call and SMS text messaging one
issue, and your other mobile needs another. a touch only device is never
going to be that great as a device for making and receiving calls and typing
out SMS messages... its just not, and yes, sure some folk will say that you
can cart about blue tooth keyboards etc, but its just adding complexity and
weight to a solution, when something perfectly good without those issues
already exists.
Now for your music playing, podcast listening, possibly internet surfing,
depending on what you do online, i.e. surfing to read, or inputting to, and
app usage, these are things that the iOS Apple devices do well.
My personal recommendation would be an iPod Touch, basically an iPhone
without the phone, you can install Skype etc onto it, making it into a phone
should you wish to, but principally it is cheaper, no rental and will give
you all the advantages of this type of device... but will not compromise
your phone call / texting ability.
I hope that this helps in some way.
Regards,
Neil Barnfather
Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather
TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - service@xxxxxxxxxxx
Phone: - +44 844 999 4199
On 30 May 2011, at 22:19, Paul Roberts wrote:
Hi all,
Whilst I am generally happy with my E51, which I have had since june 2009, I
feel I would like to upgrade to something which I may find is easier to
navigate round the internet.
I either want something like an E71, whith it's very wel defined keyborad
or, I may be brave and go for an Apple Iphone.
regarding the latter, I was told by someone on Saturday night that I could
get one of these from a Vodafone store but is this the case as I wouldn't
have thought so.
I am on a contract and may visit the store tomorrow afternoon.
I did have a go with an Iphone on saturday night, although I feel I could do
with more time to play with one, before deciding whether or not to buy one.
Any thoughts and suggestions on the above would be most welcome.
Regards
paul.
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