Hi there, How much accessibility do these free options realistically give you over what is available at this time from code factory? I'm not in favour of working from within a set shell of applications like for example in the braille note I'm more for accessing the mainstream applications. -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adrian Higginbotham Sent: 31 May 2011 14:40 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: buying a new phone Hi Amie: Android is the operating system, but there are different manufacturers who make phones running android and of course each makes different models too. Htc is one of those. Slightly confusingly Google also from time to time commission someone to supply with a device which gets the Google branding, so the HTC desire and the google nexus1 are actually the exact same phone. It's a couple of years old now but does have a touch screen and qwerty keyboard. The desire has also had a few updates lately and been produced in a few slight variations, the desire-s, which doesn't have any physical buttons, the desire-hd, and the desire-z which like the original desire has qwerty keyboard and touch screen. If you want to try the accessibility ofhis phone including the google screenreader then you can do so by enabling accessibility under settings. If the option is greyed out then he may need to download 3 apps from from the android market first, these are talkback, kickback and soundback. All are free. Once they are installed then he should be able to activate the accessibily setting. If you need more detail look online for the google eyefree website which includes a blog and mailing list. Adrian Higginbotham E: Adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @AHiggi -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin Sent: 31 May 2011 11:49 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: buying a new phone My partner's android definitely has a proper little qwerty keyboard, I promise; it lives in the same house with me lol. A -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page Sent: 31 May 2011 09:08 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: buying a new phone Far far from it. Firstly, most android phones are touch screen phones. Some have a track ball or arrow keys that you can use but the trend is more and more towards touch phones. There is a company called Code Factory that had created some accessible programs and a screenreader to work on android phones. This is great and the programs are accessible but the problem seems to be that there is no accessibility built into the heart of Android. It is fair to say that Android phones and IPhones will eventually both be very accessible but these are all touch screen phones. We really do need an alternative with a t9 keypad. Regards Graham Graham Page Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amie Slavin Sent: 31 May 2011 08:40 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: buying a new phone Sounds sensible. What about android though? That seems like maybe the full solution to everything, is it? A -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: 30 May 2011 22:31 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: buying a new phone Paul, firstly, :) grin, this is a Talks list, and as such, not really tasked with helping you choose between a Talks powered device and a none Talks device. however, since this is a highly covered topic right now here's a view for you. The iPhone is a very good consumption product, that is to say, if you are accessing info from it then it is excellent. however, if your objective is to input into it, then it starts undoing at the scenes. let me explain some more, the iPhone is very well adapted for our needs when you consider accessing apps, reading web pages, reading e-mail, reading text messages, checking the weather or listening to music / pod casts. where it falls down is the reverse of this, i.e. you inputting data back into it, in these instances it is slow, cumber sum and irritating. this is not an exclusive issue to iPhone, but in fact almost any touch only device. so notably though since we're on the Apple cart, so to speak, iPad and iPod Touch etc. My advice would be this, consider your phone call and SMS text messaging one issue, and your other mobile needs another. a touch only device is never going to be that great as a device for making and receiving calls and typing out SMS messages... its just not, and yes, sure some folk will say that you can cart about blue tooth keyboards etc, but its just adding complexity and weight to a solution, when something perfectly good without those issues already exists. Now for your music playing, podcast listening, possibly internet surfing, depending on what you do online, i.e. surfing to read, or inputting to, and app usage, these are things that the iOS Apple devices do well. My personal recommendation would be an iPod Touch, basically an iPhone without the phone, you can install Skype etc onto it, making it into a phone should you wish to, but principally it is cheaper, no rental and will give you all the advantages of this type of device... but will not compromise your phone call / texting ability. I hope that this helps in some way. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - service@xxxxxxxxxxx Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 30 May 2011, at 22:19, Paul Roberts wrote: Hi all, Whilst I am generally happy with my E51, which I have had since june 2009, I feel I would like to upgrade to something which I may find is easier to navigate round the internet. I either want something like an E71, whith it's very wel defined keyborad or, I may be brave and go for an Apple Iphone. regarding the latter, I was told by someone on Saturday night that I could get one of these from a Vodafone store but is this the case as I wouldn't have thought so. I am on a contract and may visit the store tomorrow afternoon. I did have a go with an Iphone on saturday night, although I feel I could do with more time to play with one, before deciding whether or not to buy one. Any thoughts and suggestions on the above would be most welcome. Regards paul. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3669 - Release Date: 05/30/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3670 - Release Date: 05/30/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3671 - Release Date: 05/31/11