Graham, touch devices are not necessarily cheaper to make, its been a good few years now since I was in the phone building business, but have to believe that a touch sensitive display module costs at least double to triple the costs of a button based module. Nokia still make the following exclusively button devices, the Nokia C5, E5, N86 and E72 / E73. you can also go for a half way house with something like the N97 / N97 Mini, C6, E7 for totally brand new and more besides. Anyone with an existing TAlks license should really consider these devices over the purely touch devices from Apple and Google until accessibility in the form of Talks and Mobile Speak has truly made it to these devices. a good high end Nokia, like those outlined above I'd expect to last you at least 2 years, if not a little longer. with regards to the iPod Touch not having the network data function, this is the only reason I have an iPhone rather than an iPod Touch, but being honest, what I should have done is bought the iPod Touch and then simply enabled the sharing of my WiFi on my Nokia, which costs no more at all, unlike the expensive business of tethering with an iPHone etc, and then just bought something like Joiku so that my iPod Touch could get data. this is my current recommendation to people, keep a Nokia for Talks and then get an iPod Touch / iPad for consumption. don't forget you can always get data products on your Nokia like e-mail etc. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - service@xxxxxxxxxxx Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 31 May 2011, at 08:13, Graham Page wrote: Hi Neil. I agree with what you say entirely, though if you go for an IPod you will not of course be able to access much while you are out and about. In the UK at least, wifi connectivity is patchy to say the least! Bringing things back more on topic, My big question is what non-touch screen devices are still available for use with TALKS? Is it really worth anyone investing in Talks at the moment if new devices are likely to dry up in the next few months. There are of course low end devices from companies like Nokia that do as much as most people would want to do but they cannot run TALKS. The truth is that manufacturers are bullying society into believing that touch screen is always better since touch screen devices are much cheaper to make. Regards Graham Graham Page Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird -----Original Message----- From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: 30 May 2011 22:31 To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [talks-uk] Re: buying a new phone Paul, firstly, :) grin, this is a Talks list, and as such, not really tasked with helping you choose between a Talks powered device and a none Talks device. however, since this is a highly covered topic right now here's a view for you. The iPhone is a very good consumption product, that is to say, if you are accessing info from it then it is excellent. however, if your objective is to input into it, then it starts undoing at the scenes. let me explain some more, the iPhone is very well adapted for our needs when you consider accessing apps, reading web pages, reading e-mail, reading text messages, checking the weather or listening to music / pod casts. where it falls down is the reverse of this, i.e. you inputting data back into it, in these instances it is slow, cumber sum and irritating. this is not an exclusive issue to iPhone, but in fact almost any touch only device. so notably though since we're on the Apple cart, so to speak, iPad and iPod Touch etc. My advice would be this, consider your phone call and SMS text messaging one issue, and your other mobile needs another. a touch only device is never going to be that great as a device for making and receiving calls and typing out SMS messages... its just not, and yes, sure some folk will say that you can cart about blue tooth keyboards etc, but its just adding complexity and weight to a solution, when something perfectly good without those issues already exists. Now for your music playing, podcast listening, possibly internet surfing, depending on what you do online, i.e. surfing to read, or inputting to, and app usage, these are things that the iOS Apple devices do well. My personal recommendation would be an iPod Touch, basically an iPhone without the phone, you can install Skype etc onto it, making it into a phone should you wish to, but principally it is cheaper, no rental and will give you all the advantages of this type of device... but will not compromise your phone call / texting ability. I hope that this helps in some way. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - service@xxxxxxxxxxx Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 30 May 2011, at 22:19, Paul Roberts wrote: Hi all, Whilst I am generally happy with my E51, which I have had since june 2009, I feel I would like to upgrade to something which I may find is easier to navigate round the internet. I either want something like an E71, whith it's very wel defined keyborad or, I may be brave and go for an Apple Iphone. regarding the latter, I was told by someone on Saturday night that I could get one of these from a Vodafone store but is this the case as I wouldn't have thought so. I am on a contract and may visit the store tomorrow afternoon. I did have a go with an Iphone on saturday night, although I feel I could do with more time to play with one, before deciding whether or not to buy one. Any thoughts and suggestions on the above would be most welcome. Regards paul.