[SI-LIST] Re: Article discussion on bad packages
- From: "Istvan NOVAK" <istvan.novak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <Chris.Cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:36:37 -0500
Chris,
If you want to simulate PDN SSN, you can do either a
transistor-level SPICE simulation together with the PDN
model, or an approximate behavioral model simulation can
be done. For smaller circuits, transistor level models may
work in SPICE (if you have access to it). For large chunks
of silicon, like CPU cores and sophisticated IO circuits, the
SPICE model may be prohibitively large. Also, for many
users of third-party silicons, transistor-level SPICE model
may not be available. For the above reasons, behavioral
simulations may still be better than doing no simulations at all
Regards,
Istvan Novak
SUN Microsystems
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Cheng" <Chris.Cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 5:00 PM
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Article discussion on bad packages
> I am sorry but IBIS for SSO analysis is an oxymoron term for me. Can you
> explain more ?
>
> Power and SSO analysis has been done on systems since the 70's. There was
no
> commmitte or industrial standard then and people who knows how to do it
ask
> the right question and get the right results. And every package I have
> designed is unique and to say there is a generic or standard way to model
it
> is beyond my experience. But then again, what do I know ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Istvan NOVAK
> To: cgrassosprint1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Chris.Cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 12/27/2004 7:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: Article discussion on bad packages
>
>
>
> After the 2004 DesignCon panel discussion on PDN simulations,
> this kind of standardization started in two independent tracks:
> one of the IBIS committees and the IEEE TC-12 have been working
> on proposals to address these issues. If anyone is interested in
> contributing comments and proposals, please contact me offline
> so that your effort can be channeled into these ongoing projects.
>
> HAPYY HOLIDAYS to everyone.
>
> Istvan Novak
> SUN Microsystems
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