=20 This article lists some of painful issues that are well known to all dealing with high-speed IC packaging.=20 I would like to add to the obstacles listed in the article the lack of high speed oriented substrate layout designers and awareness for high-speed requirements and design methodology among substrate vendors. This situation is much painful for fables IC vendors who usually rely on the substrate vendors for the substrate layout. One point I disagree with the information given in the article is the availability of "good" EDA simulation tools. As far as my experience goes the only available option is using high end RF simulators like Ansoft HFSS which also needs lots of tweaking before being able to import correctly a routed database. I've spend few week with the new Cadence 15.2 integrated 3D modeler - couldn't get any useful result. So did the Cadence the application engineer :-[ . Rotem Gazit Director of System & Product Engineering. Mysticom Semiconductor Ltd. Tel: +972 9 8636424 Fax: +972 9 8636466 1 Hazoran St, Netanya 42504, Israel. www.mysticom.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott McMorrow Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:27 PM To: silist Subject: [SI-LIST] Article discussion on bad packages I'd be interested in peoples thoughts about the following article from today's EE Times. http://www.eedesign.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=3D55801038 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu