Michael, Why don't you tell us what you really think? :-) While I agree that the problem has been around awhile, I thought the benefit of this article to the SI community was to put a spotlight on the problem, thus "some constructive "forward motion" toward solving the problem." Indeed, I'm not sure of the benefit of discussing the problem (companies designing products without proper resources) in this forum. A discussion in this forum would be a little like "preaching to the choir"; this problem seems more related to business decisions rather than technical ones. What better method to move the issue forward than to publish successes and failures? Anyone want to take a survey and publish? And where to publish is important; the target audience isn't SI Engineers. While there are many of us who would like to see that article, if you are in a position to take that article and put in on your bosses desk, you are most likely fighting a battle that someone already won. To be most effective the target audience needs to be those who want to "build bridges" without proper engineering support. But that's just my opinion. Happy Holidays! Aubrey Sparkman=20 Enterprise Engineering Signal Integrity Team Dell, Inc.=20 Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx=20 (512) 723-3592 -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael E. Vrbanac Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:33 AM To: scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: silist Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Article discussion on bad packages Scott, I wasn't terribly impressed. What was the point? That news is so old its got mold on it. I'm trying to figure out what it was for except to fill some space in EE Times, was it a promotional advertisement for a consultant, or promoting two companies and dissing two, etc.? There were no answers and no solutions offered, plenty of gloom and doom, the industry is in the tank on this issue, and there certainly doesn't seem to be enough simulator "pilots" to do all the simulation we need to do and everyone is to blame for "it" (whoever and whatever that is). I guess that means we need to call in a "superhero", eh? Frankly, we've had better discussions on this forum about that topic than that was.=20 What a waste. Enough of that... I am hoping your query is to stimulate some constructive "forward motion" toward solving the problem. Its been around for a very long time.=20 Michael E. Vrbanac Scott McMorrow wrote: >I'd be interested in peoples thoughts about the following article from=20 >today's EE Times. > >http://www.eedesign.com/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=3D55801038 > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > >List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > >List archives are viewable at: =20 > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > =20 > > > > =20 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu